HOA now Gun Free

[Wolvee]

My family and I are actively trying to move back to Michigan. I fear Virginia is on its way down the Rights toilet and it's only a matter of time before we turn into NY or the other communist states. It's too bad because this is one of the nicest places I've ever been to. We're losing our footing more than we're gaining it.

[MarcSpaz]

I'd hate to say it... and this isn't a dig at you by any means... but it doesn't help when Conservative people leave or stay and don't vote at all.

I hear so many people say they are leaving because they fear "what's going to happen". Well, right now its pretty damn good compared to many states. We need more Conservative voters to bolster our numbers. Don't run because of what may never be.

[Wolvee]

I understand what you're saying and I agree but I can't reasonably say to my family that they have to risk me getting in trouble because I feel the duty to carry everywhere I go. Everyday I read about a new place here that they are squeezing our rights from us. The citizens are clueless and we're on the losing end of a "for the Children" campaign.

When we moved here 2 years ago all I could think of was how great it was going to be here since we can have SBR's & suppressors and at the time in Michigan we could not. (Now you can though.) It just feels like Virginia is moving backwards. We're just too darn close to DC to not be affected by them.

If we could shoot on public land and reasonably OC when we need to I might even be able to accept the Vehicle inspections and taxes of stuff that I already own. :0/

[FiremanBob]

Wolvee, if you're serious and live in Rockingham County, we're looking for a house there...maybe you can sell out to me...

[Mindflayer]

My family and I are actively trying to move back to Michigan. I fear Virginia is on its way down the Rights toilet and it's only a matter of time before we turn into NY or the other communist states. It's too bad because this is one of the nicest places I've ever been to. We're losing our footing more than we're gaining it.

Hell, I might be moving to MI a few years from now, too - but because wife is from there and her family is there. MI is worse than VA by a long stretch when it comes to firearm laws. I'll have to tell you one day about my run in with Oakland County police. Not doing anything (I'm pretty law abiding) - cop just noticed I had an EMPTY holster on after I left a range, and started giving me crap. Saw other examples. Not good.

[CalebDor]

To paraphrase what I heard once a long long time ago:

"They invade our Commonwealth, and we fall back. They assimilate our cities, and we fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here. This far, no farther. We need to make them understand that we will not be disarmed and that this is our Home."

We hold the line. We don't run to other states hoping those left behind can turn the tide while we "shelter in place".

Do that enough times and you lose.

Be well each of you.

[SHMIV]

I'm sticking out in Virginia. I have generations of ancestry buried here. My roots go back beyond Pocahontas. This is my land.

My ancestors have shed too much blood for me to run.

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[Swampman]

My wife moved here in 1984 for work, I moved here in 1986 to marry her. We left for 8 years so I could establish my career. We came back in 1998 to finish raising our children. My brother and sister and their families live here, and my parents live here. I love this state and will not leave because the laws are changing. They're changing everywhere and if we continue to run because we fear what might happen, they have won. It will embolden them to change things in order to push us into the corners they want us to reside in.

Wolvee, we need your help here in the Old Dominion. You have to do what you think is right, but I would implore you to reconsider.

[ChristCrusader]

Gun rights have gotten better in VA. All the fuss made about GA's new liberties have already been in effect for years here. Yes VA's teetering right now (and for the next 3 years of McAwful's term), but it's purple, not blue. Voting with your feet is a overall wise strategy, but we could tip back to red just by adding more red to the population (and keeping what we've got).
Leave or stay because of what it is, not out of fear of what it might become. Because it might not become that if we get active, stay, and recruit people from NY, CT, and MD who are abandoning ship.
And we need to organize and actively start educating the electorate.

[Viper21]

I'm sticking out in Virginia. I have generations of ancestry buried here. My roots go back beyond Pocahontas. This is my land.

My ancestors have shed too much blood for me to run.

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Same here....

[mamabearCali]

All is not lost yet. Steady on. If we do have to retreat, we will but for now we dig trenches and fight like hell. Virginia is a great state with an amazing history. She is worth fighting for.

If we are forced to retreat I will retreat to a state like TX or TN.

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[ChristCrusader]

If we are forced to retreat I will retreat to a state like TX or TN.
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And I consider VA's rules to be superior to their's, since VA has open carry w/o permit.
I was surprised, looking around, how many states that are trumpeted in media for their gun rights, were more regulated than VA.
Made me feel a little better about where we are on the issue, and how far less we have to travel yet compared to the other states.
Yes, we're currently under a bad administration, but that can change next election cycle no matter where you go. Wherever one lives, education, activism, participation has become required to defend and restore our liberties. Can't take it for granted anywhere anymore. When I look around, this looks as good a place to try to defend. They've got a lot of liberties to chip away from us here before we get to where other states are already.

[mamabearCali]

We do have OC. Texas has a better castle doctrine. I have not researched TN as much but i have heard the same about there.

Anyway...we are not leaving yet. We are fighting it here and putting down roots here. We are not yet looking to leave.

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[Newgunguy]

Damn, homeowner associations are like little govt's controlled by liberal sheep. It would surprise me if anyone on the board isn't a member of one of those anti moms groups. Luckily when we were down there none of the houses we looked at had an HOA, well all but one in Midlothian. I nipped that house showing in the bud when we were talking to the real estate guy at one house before we even left to head there. Good luck with that man, but if you knew about the HOA before you purchased, that is really all on you.

Charles.

[ChristCrusader]

I thought I read somewhere at some time about the applicability of
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp50 ... .2-308.2C1

§ 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies
A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization...

...The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency...

[MarcSpaz]

hmmm. I good lawyer will have fun shredding an HOA with that. Didn't know they phased preemption in that manner.

I mean, this may be a stretch... however, the code specifies that it doesn't apply to employer/employee relationships, but I don't see any exemptions for personal property rights. That basically means, as a non-employee or non-resident, no one can create rules to prevent you from carrying on private property.

No judge will ever agree, likely saying that was not the intent or in the spirit of the law... but it looks written that way.

[dorminWS]

@ChristCrusader & MarcSpaz:

I don't think the cited statutes apply against HOAs. The Second Amendment does not apply to private parties. What you are talking about in the case of HOA restrictions is NOT government action, but the act of a private entity taken pursuant to PROPERTY rights reserved to the grantor when the property was conveyed to its subsequent purchaser.

The best and dang near the only way to stay clear of the obnoxious meddling of HOAs is to avoid buying property that was conveyed subject to covenants that permit one.

[Kreutz]

How people pay money to live in a prison is beyond me.

Realtor kept trying to show me HOA properties here, said hell no. My brother in law lived in one in SC until his house burned down (faulty wiring-HOA had its priorities straight it seemed), said it was a big mistake due to the constant harassment and fines.

[Viper21]

The best and dang near the only way to stay clear of the obnoxious meddling of HOAs is to avoid buying property that was conveyed subject to covenants that permit one.

Yeah that would suck.

I live on a private road. There are 12 property owners. Only 6 of us live here full time, the other 6 are part timers, typically a few weeks in the summer, or hunting season, with the exception of 1 who stays all summer usually. Total acreage is 450 acres. I rarely see any of my "neighbors", & don't really associate with any of em. There are a couple covenants written into our deeds but they are pretty basic. size of house, no swine, & $100/yr for road maintenance. We do not have a HOA, or any other rules, etc. It is frustrating at times where, 1 lady runs the road maintenance. Ive had a few gripes, & such BUT.... I have just lived with it because, 1. I don't want to elevate things into a full blown HOA. If we were to ever turn into a HOA, then next thing you know, we'd end up with rules, & more rules. Most of us that live in the boonies, like it the way it is, & DONT want to be caught up in all that mess.

Fortunately, it appears most of my neighbors feel the same way. One of the better parts of where I live, & the neighbors I have (well besides you can't see any neighbors from my house), most are gun nuts too Whether collectors, avid shooters, or hunters. I believe I have only one of the 12 that isn't a gun nut...... he's from NY, go figure.......

[mamabearCali]

Now we are getting out of our HOA just as soon as this new bundle of joy is born. We are just still trying to figure out the best exit strategy.

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