Schools Preparing American kids For Life In A Police State

[dorminWS]

This might fit in with the "Fire or smoke and mirrors" thread, sorta. There are so many things going to hell it's hard to keep up with it all.

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com ... ice-state/

[CrazySanMan]

I can see it. My daughter was jumped by two girls after gym in her high school in Baltimore County, MD. She ended up beating up both girls and got suspended because she fought back when "it was her duty to retreat". I argued with the principal for two hours and he would not budge. 10 day suspension for defending herself.

[mamabearCali]

Perhaps a law suit for failing to protect children under their charge is in order. Seems to be the only language petty despots understand. Either they permit her to defend herself OR they are liable for her saftey.

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[SHMIV]

My kid got in trouble for defending someone else from the resident bully, last year.

The bully had that whuppin coming to him, though, and everyone knew it. My boy got the minimum punishment, while the bully got the max.

I told my kid that I was proud of him. Sometimes integrity brings momentary inconvenience, but it's never worth losing.

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[dorminWS]

Another precinct heard from. If it's THIS bad in TENNESSEE (pronounced TIN-a-see in SW VA and NE Tennessee), what must it be like in the progressive enclaves of the big cities and the coastal elite?

http://victoriajackson.com/10406/list-l ... -textbooks

[FiremanBob]

There should be mobs of parent with torches and pitchforks outside the school administration offices in the towns where these things happen. That there aren't is proof that American people have become the sheep that the "Progressive" fascists have been brainwashing for the past century.

If people won't rise up to protect their children from the state, what will they fight for?

[mamabearCali]

This is for ELEMENTARY school aged kids!!!!!!! on whoever thought that up. I would yank my kids from that school so fast and as publicly as I could.

That type of information is MAYBE and I mean a big MAYBE appropriate to discuss in gender separated groups in late middle school.

I would prefer and I think it would be best if the schools kept to reading writing and arithmetic with a little science and history thrown in, and leave the sex ed to the parents where it belongs in the first place.

[Viper21]

I can see it. My daughter was jumped by two girls after gym in her high school in Baltimore County, MD. She ended up beating up both girls and got suspended because she fought back when "it was her duty to retreat". I argued with the principal for two hours and he would not budge. 10 day suspension for defending herself.

Been there..! One of my sons gave a bully more than he bargained for several years back in elementary school. He attacked my son with a sucker punch (witnessed by several). My boy gathered himself, & proceeded to stomp his lights out. The other kid was considerably larger than my son, & the attacker in the scenario. When sitting in front of the principal...... she started to give this lecture about no tolerance for violence, & how it was the childs responsibility to notify a teacher, blah, blah.... & that my son was wrong for defending himself. I said BS. I explained to her that my son was instructed to stomp the lights out of anyone that attacked him, & regardless of what she said, or the schoolboard said, if anyone else touched my son in a violent or inappropriate way, the result would be the same. I told her, it's a little hard to notify a teacher, when someone is on top of you punching you in the face..... I said, my sons will not be victims. You might be okay with being victimized, or letting other kids be victimized but, I ain't. She threatened, expulsion..... I laughed. I said, you want to expel my son for defending himself...?? I asked what the punishment for the bully who attacked my son was.... she wouldn't tell me.

Fortunately, he wasn't expelled, & even better.... nobody messed with him or his brothers after that happened. But, still to this day (he's a junior in HS today), my son, or his brothers, won't be victims. I would support em into the courts if I had to, providing the circumstances were the same or similar. On the flip side, I've warned em all about being on the other side of it, or picking on anyone else.

[SHMIV]

I guess that my kid is in a school run by country folks. They were apologetic about whatever punishment they gave him, and even stated that if it weren't for a particular rule, they would let it slide, as he is known for being a good kid.

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[mamabearCali]

I wonder in these situations where a school wishes to deprive a student of the right to defend themselves and punish them for defending themselves then don't they open themselves up to a law suit for failing to protect children under their care. Much like when a LEO cuffs a person they must then see to it that they are not injured (because the person cannot defend themselves), or they can be sued for damages. I wonder if the schools can be sued for failing to protect a child since they do not permit them to defend themselves.

If it was my kid and I had some extra bucks I might look into it.

[SHMIV]

I remember when I enrolled my boy in school, down in Florida.

In that mound of paperwork that you are given to sign, it says that they are absolved of any responsibility of your child while in their care.
By signing, you agree to those terms.

My guess is that no one reads that paperwork, and signs it blindly. I, of course, did read it. I crossed out everything that I objected to, and initialed every thing I crossed out.

The poor girls in the school office were quite irritated, and demanded I sign a new stack of paperwork. I refused. I told them that I was legally compelled to send him there, and they can damn well take responsibility for his health and well-being while he's in their care. Especially since they wouldn't let him keep his asthma inhaler on his person.

They didn't know what to say, think, or do about it. But I never signed new paperwork, he attended classes there, and he may have had a special exception made in regard to that inhaler.

Point is, take the time to read that crap, and don't be afraid to cross out whatever you object to and challenge them on it.

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[Remek]

The fact is, whether they like it or not, these are minors and under their supervision. If that's the case you cannot absolve them of responsibility, because they owe that responsibility to your kid, not you.

Don't let the signing crap bother you either, if you did sign (good job SHMIV, I think we'd get along quite well!). When they give you that to sign, it does not absolve them, it just creates another layer of litigation if it should go to court. They typically give you no time to read it, they are yakking at you when you are reading, and everyone is waiting for everyone else to finish so they can go to the next topic. It will get dropped in court, you cannot be held responsible for a coerced signature, and again, it's all smoke and mirrors. They owe that responsibility to the child while under their supervision, not you!

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[Remek]

Last, the right to defend yourself is in the constitution, and it's an inalienable right. You do do have a case if they are punishing him/her for defending himself/herself,

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[Remek]

^^^ not the literal words! but is recognized through the debates and underlying discussions that took place to form the constitution.

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[dorminWS]

I don't think that even a parent can waive the legal rights of his/her minor child, no matter what they sign. I think the only way you can legitimately determine or change the legal rights of a minor in this state is to get a J&DR Court to issue an Order. As a parent, YOU will be bound by whatever you sign, but the child does not have the legal capacity to contract. Kid's signature is no good, and neither is the parent's on behalf of the kid, IMO. I used to think about that every time I ever signed one of those forms when I took one of my boys to a shooting preserve and just grin like a possum while I signed so the kid could get into some birds.

[cwfunrider]

We are fighting with an elementary school right here in Lakeridge over their "zero tolerance" policy. Our 7 year old son has been suspended 3 times this year all of them bulls@&$. They want robots that do as they say and do not rock the ship. If a student does not quite fit into what they consider normal they don't want to deal with them. It has been a looooooong second grade school year so far.

[Palladin]

Homeschool, brother.

[Reverenddel]

Once more, it's making boys not want to go to school whatsoever. I have asked The Woman's three boys, and their friends, "Do you like school?"

They all say "No." You quiz why, and they explain in different variances of "They won't let us be us. The girls are okay with just sitting quietly all day, and being passive."

Boys are aggressive, loud, and generally MUTHAFRACKIN' BOYS!

But the school keep telling them they're "Wrong" on everything that makes them male.

You wonder why more women go to college than men? Because by high school, some men have had enough of the "public education" system. Some, God Bless them, enough of Progressive/Commie drivel.

One of The Woman's boys comes to me every time he has a history class, and says "Is this true?"

You know that's pretty messed up when even TWEENS know they cannot trust their teachers.

[scott9050]

I can see it. My daughter was jumped by two girls after gym in her high school in Baltimore County, MD. She ended up beating up both girls and got suspended because she fought back when "it was her duty to retreat". I argued with the principal for two hours and he would not budge. 10 day suspension for defending herself.

Close to 30 years ago I had a kid in school who was bullying me and I had enough one day and put him in the hospital (broken orbital socket). Not only did I not get suspended but he was suspended for a month.

How things like right and wrong have changed.

[38superfan]

Homeschool, brother.

+1 to homeschooling. Both my kids are home schooled after spending 3 years in NOVA public schools. My son experienced being pushed and hit by another kid and my advice was to pop him one. He did. We had the principle talk. I told the principle that my children will not be victims and that I've even taught my daughter the same thing. Both kids are much happier now.

The public schools teach kids to be institutionalized more than they have in the past. My school experience in the 70's and 80's was peppered with 60's hippies and Korean/Vietnam vets who had little respect for institutional practices. We were taught to question authority. Now they are being taught to submit and I'm not going to let that happen.