DMPS AR

[Hammer]

New to the AR scene. Picked up a DMPS Oracle for what I thought was a great price, but it has no sites. Figure many have upgraded sights and have standard equipment laying around and would consider parting with it for cash.

Would also be interested in thoughts and opinions on affordable new sites. The DMPS has a lowered gas block(?) which requires a raised front sight.

Your input is apprieciated.

[BertMacklin]

What's your intended purpose; distance, hunting, defense, ect. ? If no one bites with used irons you can get decent name brand front and rear for a little more than 50 for each. Bushnell has some shorter scopes for cheap, 300ish and still somewhat rugged.

[MarcSpaz]

Magpul MBUS Gen II Flip-up Sight Set is the best bang for the buck. You can find them for between $80 and $110 plus shipping depending on the Gen.

You will need a riser if you go that route. Those are pretty expensive if you want one that doesn't look like crap and won't move when installed correctly. I paid $60 for a legit 1913 riser with the right size recoil bar.

Rear
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG248/44

Front
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG247/44

Stay away from the ones that are only $20. Those are for training weapons that use paint balls and are commonly used for Airsoft BB guns. They won't stand up to being used on anything more than a .22LR; certainly not a full power AR.

I have a used set of Gen II's I'll sell you for $60. They were bolted to a rifle, but I went a different route. They have never seen any actual use.

If you don't want to mess with all of that, there is much debate out there over 1x digital / holographic sights. I think most would agree that Aimpoint and EOTech are the two main competitors for hardware that will take a beating. However, you will pay more for the sighting equipment then you did for you Oracle if you get an Aimpoint or EOTech with a magnifier.

As far as using either, a 3x or 5x flip-away magnifier will get a new shooter on target from 0 to 300 yards with no issues on a man size target and about 600 yards on a man size target if you are a good shooter.

Pros and Cons - They are both very durable and provide two eyes open target acquisition with the 1x sight, but...

Aimpoint is very well know for extremely long battery life. Some people leave them on all the time (24/7x365) and only change the batteries every Presidential election or so. Down side is the pupil is somewhat small. With true two eyes open targeting, the ghost ring from the body is distracting to some folks.

OETech has much shorter battery life timing in at about 600 hours for most models. However, some run on common batteries like AA and AAA. The smaller versions run on CR123's. like most Aimpoints I have had/seen. A plus for the EOTech is the pupil is very large and the body is extremely thin, making two eyes open targeting very easy with almost no ghost ring.

As far as those two brands, everything else is pretty much the same as far as features and options. You may see small variations as far as reticles go, but most of it is cosmetic.

If you want to break into cheap sighting hardware... I won't be much help there.

If you want advise on a scope... good luck. Lots of people trying to justify $3,500 scopes that work about the same as $300 scopes, when the differences will only be noticed and appreciated by active long range competition shooters and long range combat shooters. Most "social paper pokers" would never know the difference or benefit from it if they did.

If you do want advice on scopes, I would look for post from jdonovan and gunderwood. I have read a lot of their posts/threads and has spoken to them about this subject. Those guys have lots of good good info out there.

Hope that helps.

[Hammer]

Good information, thank you. The intent is home defense, but I'd like to be able to practice at the range and hit something. I expect a home defense situation would probably be more point and shoot, but the wife would be more comfortable with the idea that there is sighting capability.

I like that holographic sight idea. The dealer showed me a EOTech but I figured he may be trying to make a profit after selling an inexpensive gun.

THank you both!

[BertMacklin]

Good information, thank you. The intent is home defense, but I'd like to be able to practice at the range and hit something. I expect a home defense situation would probably be more point and shoot, but the wife would be more comfortable with the idea that there is sighting capability.

I like that holographic sight idea. The dealer showed me a EOTech but I figured he may be trying to make a profit after selling an inexpensive gun.

THank you both!

The ghost rings on the irons, I think, are great up close but maybe not as quick as the EOTech or similar. Honesty the first thing I would get is folding rear and front. If you decide to go with glass later they can stay on but out of the way, and should your electronical glass fail you have a redundant system.

[allingeneral]

Nice selection of EOTech Sight Systems - Tough to beat prices.

Nice selection of Folding Sights (Iron)

[MarcSpaz]

Hammer, I live in Woodbridge too. If you want, we can meet up and I can show you how I have my M4 setup. I have a huge variation of targeting options for my one weapon depending what I am using it for at the time.

Seeing one setup may give you a much better idea of what to look for.

[Hammer]

Hammer, I live in Woodbridge too. If you want, we can meet up and I can show you how I have my M4 setup. I have a huge variation of targeting options for my one weapon depending what I am using it for at the time.

Seeing one setup may give you a much better idea of what to look for.

Appreciate your offer to show me your optics. I sent you a PM to schedule a time/date. May not have done it right, as it's setting in my outbox?

[MarcSpaz]

Got it... yea, this forum software has it sit in the outbox on your profile until I open it with mine. After it's read it moves to sent. The up side is, until its read, they can be edited.

[Hawaiianbro]

You can't go wrong with aimpoint or eotech. If you do go aimpoint I suggest the aimpoint pro. Cost around 400 but could be found for less if you look around.

On my HD rifle I have aimpoint pro with troy tritium back ups. As well a surefire light.

Also the best thing is trying someone else's rifle which seems you have done. Helps to prevent shelling out hard earned money.

For scopes Nikon, Vortex are good scopes. I like the 1x-4 scopes.

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[MarcSpaz]

Hey Bud... I was going through some of my pictures looking for some other stuff and came across these. Figured I would share with the class in case others came across the thread wondering how these look too.

This is my MP5 with an Aimpoint Reflex 1x sight.



These are an Aimpoint Comp C3 1x on my M4





These are the EOTech XPS2-0 1x on my M4 alone and with a Sightmark 5x magnifier.

[Hammer]

Scheet! Looking forward to checking them out.

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[MarcSpaz]

I kept the EOTech and got rid of all the Aimpoint's. The EOTech has a nice big window so I can acquire the reticle quickly and there is a lot of room for the target too.

I went with a classic reflex on the MP5 for the same reason. Nice big window in a smaller package.

[bryanrheem]

Marc, nice setups!

I think the best thing is to try out a variety and see which suits you best. Getting BUIS is a given. I personally like Troy, but most companies make decent versions. YOu want to make sure that they're easy to engage if you're going to keep them flipped down.

Regarding glass, I have always owned Vortex and Aimpoints… but after trying out a buddy's EOTech, I think I'm going to go with that. The Aimpoints are great, but unless you're going to get something large like the Comp4, most of the glass is smaller than the EOTech field of view.

I do love my Votex 1-4 optic.

[MarcSpaz]

Thanks Bryan! I appreciate the kudos.

My buddy Scott swears by his Vortex 1-4. I love the reticle on his too. I have never owned one though. I might try one on the next AR I get.