Maryland – Targeting Lawful Gun Owner Travelers

[Chasbo00]

Driving Through Maryland – How The Lawful Florida Gun Owner Was Targeted… (Hint: Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center)

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... is-center/

[jcgorla]

Government overreach in the name of security. The NSA debacle was the tip of the iceberg and as more stories like this come out the more we will realize government is out of control.


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[WRW]

Ought a jam 'em. Slugs of 10-50 cars passing through detection areas. One gets stopped...all stop.

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[Swampman]

I don't ever go through the fat part of MD. Skinniest part is up 522 through Hancock. Takes exactly 2 minutes to get from WVa to PA. See ya Commies!

[SHMIV]

This is disgusting. I wonder how many other folks have been through the same thing?

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[Palladin]

Whollikow.


Y'all hear that flushing noise?!

[SHMIV]

Welcome to Maryland, The Big Brother State.

Maryland loves you.

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[Viper21]

Seems to me that being a CCW holder in another state wouldn't in of itself be probable cause to pull someone over, & search their vehicle, unless consent was given.

What would've happened if dude refused to answer the LEO's questions..? Or resisted the search..? Without more information, sure seems like an unlawful stop, search, etc...

wow, just wow.

[smltooner]

I don't ever go through the fat part of MD. Skinniest part is up 522 through Hancock. Takes exactly 2 minutes to get from WVa to PA. See ya Commies!

We travel the same way when going to camp in PA.

[jcgorla]

Would it be helpful for the Fl resident to work this through his state legislature? If FL is sharing data on its residents and other states are using this data to harass travelers then there's an issue. I know I wouldn't remain silent if VA shared my data with MD and the MD nazis abused it like this


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[OldEagle]

Viper21 asked about "probable cause".
Here's the original story:
http://tbo.com/list/columns-tjackson/ja ... -20140112/

Here's the money quote:

“You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

“At home in my safe,” John answers.

“Don't move,” says the officer.

Now he's at the passenger's window. “Your husband owns a gun,” he says. “Where is it?”

First Kally says, “I don't know.” Retelling it later she says, “And that's all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I'm scared of it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”

The ill-advised remarks of his wife were the "probable cause".
After this story came out, we had a little "training session" at my home...

[MarcSpaz]

Viper21 asked about "probable cause".
Here's the original story:

http://tbo.com/list/columns-tjackson/ja ... -20140112/...

...The ill-advised remarks of his wife were the "probable cause".
After this story came out, we had a little "training session" at my home...

Regardless of what his wife said, based on the info provided to us, it still looks like an illegal stop and search. That is supported by the fact that no citations were issued and they were cut loose.

If I was going to guess, the out of state plate got attention. LEO run the plate and got a hit as a gun owner. Anti-2A LEO pulled the vehicle over illegally in hopes of boosting his career or making an example of someone. Everything after that illegal stop was also not legitimate. With zero reason to believe a crime was taking place due to lack of evidence or observation, being a legal gun owner is not grounds to stop and interview someone.

The "ill-advised remarks of his wife" can't be probable cause because the stop should have never occurred. Also, she started with "I don't know" which means anything after that was conjecture and 3rd party hearsay. Still not grounds for a search, even if the stop was for something legit such as observed for speeding.

[Viper21]

Viper21 asked about "probable cause".
Here's the original story:
http://tbo.com/list/columns-tjackson/ja ... -20140112/

Here's the money quote:

“You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

“At home in my safe,” John answers.

“Don't move,” says the officer.

Now he's at the passenger's window. “Your husband owns a gun,” he says. “Where is it?”

First Kally says, “I don't know.” Retelling it later she says, “And that's all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I'm scared of it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”

The ill-advised remarks of his wife were the "probable cause".
After this story came out, we had a little "training session" at my home...

I was specifically referring to probable cause to pull him over in the first place. I guess my point is, was he pulled over JUST because his plate came back as a FL CCW permit holder..? What was said AFTER the stop was made, is another issue imo. Im a little more concerned with how, & why he was stopped in the first place.


What would've happened had he declined to answer the LEO's questions..?

[riggs]

Drove clear through MD twice this weekend, once on my way north on Saturday and then again south on Sunday. Kept looking in my rearview for der Polizei to pull me over an ask me for meine papiere.

[scott9050]

I've been through the same area maybe 75+ times in the past 6 months and have never been pulled over, even with a pro 2A license plate.

[MarcSpaz]

I go to Maryland to visit the Maryland International Raceway two to four times a year. I drive though Maryland to go visit family in Rhode Island twice a year. Every single time I cross the VA state line heading north or east I have a mini panic attack as I feel my civil liberties being sucked from my body.

Seriously though. I have never had a problem in Maryland and friends who live there love almost everything about it. Still, I hear horror stories and don't like the predominately Left Wing politics and attitude, so I stay out most of the time.

In fact, I dislike going to Maryland so much, that there is a park by my house that is in VA. The fishing pier extends over the river and into Maryland State. I won't cross the state demarcation on the pier to avoid subjecting myself to their laws. Plus I usually have a concealed handgun. Crossing the demarcation would immediately put me in violation of their firearms laws.

[Remek]

Hmm, and there are those who said I was crazy for stating the same when the original story broke.

I remember being told they don't have the records, they don't the ability.

Let me restate for the previous doubters: 1984 is here, and they are planning to take your guns, and even more important, EVERYTHING from you.

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[Reverenddel]

I miss the Renn Faire, but that's the only reason I ever went there...

At this time? Unless the entire South is engulfed in flames? I shall not go "north".

[MarcSpaz]

Hmm, and there are those who said I was crazy for stating the same when the original story broke.

I remember being told they don't have the records, they don't the ability.

Let me restate for the previous doubters: 1984 is here, and they are planning to take your guns, and even more important, EVERYTHING from you.

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They said people like Pythagoras, Galileo and Einstein were crazy too. You are in good company. LOL

[dusterdude]

Like marc,i want to go to mir at least once this year but im leery as well


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