Crime At Starbuck Going Up???

[MarcSpaz]

I came across and article about an anti-gun politician getting robbed and beaten "inside" of a Starbucks which was also "inside" a mall.

An anti-gun politician getting robbed and assaulted in a gun-free zone inside of a gun-free zone. Irony or Poetic Justice?

This was in Minnesota, BTW. They are both Shall Issue and Right to Carry / Open Carry.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/12/2 ... starbucks/

A few days back, I read about an armed robbery at a Starbucks in Arlington.

Anyone else hear if crime at the now "gun free" Starbucks has gone up?

[UnderwaterMike]

"As dozens watched the attack on the 63-year-old, no one stepped in." There's a shocker.

[MarcSpaz]

Right? And where was Gecko45 and the other Mall Ninjas? Hiding, I'm sure.

[jdonovan]

observing and taking notes for their report.

[UnderwaterMike]

I think I would've gone nuts and come close to killing one of those kids if they jumped me. They're lucky he showed restraint.

[AlanM]

Are you sure the Starbucks was a CPZ?
(Criminal Protection Zone)

As far as I know corporate hasn't told it's stores to post.

[MarcSpaz]

I haven't been to a Starbucks in years. I don't know if they posted anything at the store level. I am mostly going by the news history and the public announcement letter they published.

[jdonovan]

last I knew, the policy at the store level was:

The store is not posted as a crime-friendly place, but firearms are now prohibited, and if they see one, and you are not LE, they will ask you leave the store.

http://www.starbucks.com/blog/an-open-l ... hultz/1268

[j1mmyd]

if they see one, and you are not LE, they will ask you leave the store.

http://www.starbucks.com/blog/an-open-l ... hultz/1268

That's actually the opposite of what the letter says and what the separate, clarified guidance to employees has been. Employees are specifically told *not* to engage armed customers. Furthermore, while the letter says "firearms" it specifically addresses OC and makes no mention of CC.

Back to the story: If a group like us hasn't really read the policy thoroughly, you can bet the criminals haven't either. I'm betting they only heard "guns are banned at SBUX", just like a lot of pro-gun people seem to have.

I'm a (mostly) "growed-ass man" and I sometimes go to SBUX if I feel the urge (for strong, expensive coffee) - and I still carry every time, although I carry concealed. I wish there was a Dunkin' closer to my office, but there isn't...

You can thank the @sshats who chose to make a private business a nexus for controversy for the larger issue here. Both the antis and the dipsh1ts with ARs strapped across their backs. (Yes, I'm saying that you're a d1psh1t if you're sitting in a coffee shop - or anyone's private business with an AR - just to prove a point. Save the symbolic stuff for the rallies.)

Flame away.

[jdonovan]

You can thank the @sshats who chose to make a private business a nexus for controversy for the larger issue here. Both the antis and the dipsh1ts with ARs strapped across their backs. (Yes, I'm saying that you're a d1psh1t if you're sitting in a coffee shop - or anyone's private business with an AR - just to prove a point. Save the symbolic stuff for the rallies.

yep, this is one case where the 2A rights movement mostly had a big PR loose on this.

I probably won't say it as well as Todd did, so I'll just link to his post about this topic. http://pistol-training.com/archives/8604