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kelu wrote: The processing part... I suck at that.
That takes a lot of practice. and you only get a few attempts a year to practice.
I have discovered that I like to stay in the woods, but I need better clothes to keep my ass warm.
Layers. lots of layers. And it wasn't even that cold on Saturday.

On a cold day I'll have under armor at the base layer, that ECWS layer I pointed you at. Insulated pants, and then insulated, rainproof cammo over pants. On the top half, same setup + a heavy fleece. Even that starts to not work when it gets down in the low 20's. At that point you really start needing supplemental heat.
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I gotta get through my hunter course first, after that, I'm game!
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thanks for the update!
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Completed the course and have my license in hand (includes deer/turkey/bear).
Armed with a Remington 870 and ready to rock!

I see the slot has been taken, but PM me if something falls out or you have an opening next year.
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The openings for the 2013-2014 season are already filled... filled MONTHS ago.

This is not the place for a me first for next year post.
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Um... Ok... Wasn't trying to sound like that, but since we seem to already be on a rocky start, I will look elsewhere. Thanks anyways and I appreciate what you offered.
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Btw, thanks for motivating me to get through the safety course. Had I realized I was behind the timeline (didn't scroll further down), it may have turned out different.

Glad I'm past the first hurdle though!
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MNMGoneShooting wrote:Um... Ok... Wasn't trying to sound like that, but since we seem to already be on a rocky start
trouble with the net is that you have a hard time getting context, and inflection... your post tripped my memories of the first group of PM's/email I got on this post... paraphrasing, and a bit of license... but they aren't far from the truth in some cases.

I have 1 free weekend in the next 3 months. And only between 1:35, and 2:15 on a sunday.

I've never shot a gun before can I borrow a gun for the season

I don't want to walk too far. How close to the road is the hunting spot?

and the list goes on...


In the end I think I found a good group to work with.
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jdonovan wrote:
and the list goes on...
Completely understand.
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Very cool. I haven't hunted in 20yrs and never bagged anything bigger than a squirrel. Would like to pair with an experienced hunter so I can learn things I can pass on to my son.
Not requesting a slot, just recognizing your generosity.
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I'm another of the student/apprentice hunters in the program this year, and while I didn't get out opening weekend for various reasons, I did get out 2013-11-23, and got this fairly large doe. Like Kelu, I forgot to make pictures before field dressing, but one is attached.
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Here are some notes on the experience:

1) Glasses limit your vision. I've been told to move your eyes not your head to look, but with my glasses at least, I've only got clear vision for about a 60 degree arc. If you have the option, Lasik or contacts are a good idea. I spent most of the time we were just sitting and waiting trying to decide which to do for next year.
2) Don't forget the marksmanship. There are a lot of things to think about while hunting, but the fundamental thing is putting the shot where you want it. As soon as I fired, I turned to my mentor and told him I shot high. Well, we never identified the entry wound for sure, but the exit wound was in the neck, and I was aiming for heart/lungs. So, point of aim to (likely) point of impact was way off, and I can't blame the rifle. I got lucky this time, but it could just as easily have been a gut shot, a wounding, non-fatal wound, or a miss.
I imagine pulling the shot on your first ever deer isn't uncommon, but I know I'm not going to pull the trigger on another deer until I've had time to tighten up my shooting, and also a few days out in the woods going through the motions and being more observant. And a forked stick or shooting stick monopod is probably a good idea, too.
3) On being observant. There were three does in the herd , but I'm pretty sure I didn't notice the other two till after I shot.
4) People always say deer don't run far, but I didn't know how true that was. The other two never left my sight, and circled back, milled around for at least 10 minutes, and finally wandered off. In that time, they presented a dozen or more perfect opportunities, so if I had had room in the freezer, and more confidence in my shooting, I could easily have taken a second deer.
5) I need better socks.
6) The $14 Mora knife I have is a great deal, especially if I can keep the edge where it is now.
7) It may have been because I didn't hit anything in the torso, but the field dressing procedure is relatively easy, and relatively non-icky. Only smell I got was a vague chewed-grass, cow chewing it's cud scent, and blood. Take your time, and it's not really complicated. One shallow cut, stop, observe, plan next cut, another shallow cut, etc. Though once I separated the heart from the arteries, it got more complicated with the blood pooling in the cavity. With a heart shot, I might have thought about trying to drain the cavity once or twice while working, but I'd gotten most of it loose by the time the blood started flowing, so it wasn't an issue.
8) I need a bone saw before I go solo, and/or maybe a serrated knife.
9) A Gut hook probably simplifies things quite a bit, though I didn't have one, and didn't really need one.
10) Meat is meat. The loins, roasts, etc. look just the same as they do when they come back from the butcher when they're on a fresh animal. This shouldn't be news, but I sorta expected some sort of difference.
11) I want to learn to fully process the animal. I won't do it most of the time, but I want to learn how. I imagine I could get 75% of the meat off without any real practice, but I want to learn how to do it right.
12) Tanning, not anytime soon, but long term.
13) Get the gate key before you go out. Dragging is no fun, so the less of it you do, the better. I feel like I did a heavy squats workout, and I started feeling it yesterday afternoon. Don't underestimate the exertion involved. And some sort of drag handle would be really useful. Grabbing forelegs and pulling isn't particularly easy to keep your grip. Just a handle that ties the two legs together would be great.
14) Suburban granola-crunchy moms in Northern Virginia will jump at the chance to get some venison. I think my wife's given away somewhere near half the meat we'll get off this one. And not because she doesn't want it, but because her friends want to try it.
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Really good post and great looking deer

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Good job!! Nice deer.
PeterK wrote: I imagine pulling the shot on your first ever deer isn't uncommon, but I know I'm not going to pull the trigger on another deer until I've had time to tighten up my shooting, and also a few days out in the woods going through the motions and being more observant. And a forked stick or shooting stick monopod is probably a good idea, too.
Yep, adrenaline is a funny thing, and will seriously mess up your aiming skills. Also field shooting is way different from bench shooting. One of the reasons we did that drill this summer shooting the steel targets. standing/sitting/kneeling, leaning on a tree are all positions you never seem to practice at the range, but are the only ones you use in the field.

BTW what was the estimated range for the initial shot?
3) On being observant. There were three does in the herd , but I'm pretty sure I didn't notice the other two till after I shot.
before the shot, did you locate the deer by sight or sound? i.e. did you see, or hear it first.
4) People always say deer don't run far,
they either seem to hang out, or run for the next county
5) I need better socks.
Perhaps better insulated boots too. Sometimes too-thick of a sock, can make walking long distances a problem

13) Get the gate key before you go out. Dragging is no fun, so the less of it you do, the better. I feel like I did a heavy squats workout, and I started feeling it yesterday afternoon. Don't underestimate the exertion involved. And some sort of drag handle would be really useful. Grabbing forelegs and pulling isn't particularly easy to keep your grip. Just a handle that ties the two legs together would be great.
I had left your guide with the gate combo...and called him back 15 min after he called me for it. Who knows perhaps he wanted you to get the 'full experience' ? :wave:

No drag rope in your pack?

When I hunted less-accessible properties I would throw a wheelbarrow in the truck. Not an ideal rough-terrain transport, but better than dragging 600' up hill.

14) Suburban granola-crunchy moms in Northern Virginia will jump at the chance to get some venison. I think my wife's given away somewhere near half the meat we'll get off this one. And not because she doesn't want it, but because her friends want to try it.
So now you've got the next phase of hunting... Good PR to the non-hunters.

You'll get about 40-50% of your deer back as burger. Don't try to use it as a 100% swap for ground beef. Its WAY WAY leaner, and doesn't have the same flavors people are expecting.

I have found great success mixing venison 50-50 with fatty ground beef 80/20 or better yet 70/30 if you can find it. If you are going to use the ground meat in a 'crumble' type application, like taco's, meat sauce for pasta, stroganoff, etc... you can use the venison closer to 100% depending on what the family prefers for flavor.

So reminder to both you and Kelu. This wasn't a one and done offer. You've got 6 tags on your big game license, feel free to fill them all. There are plenty of deer passing through the property.
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jdonovan wrote:Good job!! Nice deer.
PeterK wrote: I imagine pulling the shot on your first ever deer isn't uncommon, but I know I'm not going to pull the trigger on another deer until I've had time to tighten up my shooting, and also a few days out in the woods going through the motions and being more observant. And a forked stick or shooting stick monopod is probably a good idea, too.
Yep, adrenaline is a funny thing, and will seriously mess up your aiming skills. Also field shooting is way different from bench shooting. One of the reasons we did that drill this summer shooting the steel targets. standing/sitting/kneeling, leaning on a tree are all positions you never seem to practice at the range, but are the only ones you use in the field.

BTW what was the estimated range for the initial shot?
50 yards/paces. She dropped pretty much right where she was standing, kicked for a few seconds, and it was done. Like I said, I got lucky.
3) On being observant. There were three does in the herd , but I'm pretty sure I didn't notice the other two till after I shot.
before the shot, did you locate the deer by sight or sound? i.e. did you see, or hear it first.
Pretty sure I heard, then saw, but honestly, not sure. Also, my guide saw them a little before me, and had alerted me to their coming. I kept thinking I heard walking coming our way all morning before then anyway.

It was useful to be able to watch the two milling around after the shot, knowing I wasn't going to shoot one, because I could put motion and sound together and just observe. I think I'll have an easier time isolating the sound of approaching deer next time, thanks to that. At least with similar conditions.
4) People always say deer don't run far,
they either seem to hang out, or run for the next county
5) I need better socks.
Perhaps better insulated boots too. Sometimes too-thick of a sock, can make walking long distances a problem
Yeah, the boots are a good idea. I went cheap this year, not buying much specialized equipment. I wore my old trail runners, which have next to no insulation, but are waterproof, and have great tread. I also need a real mid-layer pant. I thought I already had one, but my ski pants have insulation built in, so I've never needed them before. Now that I know I'll be doing this at least a few times a year, I'm making my shopping list.
13) Get the gate key before you go out. Dragging is no fun, so the less of it you do, the better. I feel like I did a heavy squats workout, and I started feeling it yesterday afternoon. Don't underestimate the exertion involved. And some sort of drag handle would be really useful. Grabbing forelegs and pulling isn't particularly easy to keep your grip. Just a handle that ties the two legs together would be great.
I had left your guide with the gate combo...and called him back 15 min after he called me for it. Who knows perhaps he wanted you to get the 'full experience' ? :wave:

Could be. I didn't mind the drag from the kill point up to your culvert, wasn't fun, but wasn't too bad, and probably was good experience. That's where we were when he called. From there, my guide helped and we made pretty quick work of it up to the gate. And he's shared the code with me, so we've got that covered for next time.

No drag rope in your pack?
No, that was an oversight on my part. I've already corrected it.

When I hunted less-accessible properties I would throw a wheelbarrow in the truck. Not an ideal rough-terrain transport, but better than dragging 600' up hill.

14) Suburban granola-crunchy moms in Northern Virginia will jump at the chance to get some venison. I think my wife's given away somewhere near half the meat we'll get off this one. And not because she doesn't want it, but because her friends want to try it.
So now you've got the next phase of hunting... Good PR to the non-hunters.

You'll get about 40-50% of your deer back as burger. Don't try to use it as a 100% swap for ground beef. Its WAY WAY leaner, and doesn't have the same flavors people are expecting.
Telling people it's more like lamb than beef helps people not have an immediate bad reaction to the flavor. Unless, of course they dislike lamb.

Am I remembering right that you lose about 33% weight at each stage, gut, skin, process? I've got no clue what the deer weighed live, but I'm using that, plus my guide saying it was pretty large for a doe, to guestimate how much meat I'll get back from the processor.
I have found great success mixing venison 50-50 with fatty ground beef 80/20 or better yet 70/30 if you can find it. If you are going to use the ground meat in a 'crumble' type application, like taco's, meat sauce for pasta, stroganoff, etc... you can use the venison closer to 100% depending on what the family prefers for flavor.
Yeah, my guide has already given me some vension. We've had steak, 50/50 burger, a yellow curry with a roast cubed up, and a casserole with ground venison cabbage and tomato. In fact, leftovers of that last one were my lunch when I got back home yesterday afternoon.

Also worth noting that many of the husbands have had questions for me, and I think some may be interested in learning as well. I'm doing my best to be a good ambassador, maybe I'll be able to bring a few more people into the sport.
So reminder to both you and Kelu. This wasn't a one and done offer. You've got 6 tags on your big game license, feel free to fill them all. There are plenty of deer passing through the property.

I intend to get out at least a few times. Can't take anything until we clear some room in the freezer (thanksgiving will help, but we'll have to see how much), but I want to go through the motions too, as I mentioned.
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Am I remembering right that you lose about 33% weight at each stage, gut, skin, process?
about 25%.

live - 25%(entrails) = dressed
dressed - 25%(hide & bone) = 'meat weight'

I think I've seen a university study that puts average meat yield at about 40% of live weight, so the 25, 25 'guestimate' is in the ball park.

An average VA doe from my property has been about 80 lbs dressed, figure about 110ish live. If you had a bigger than average, then about 50, perhaps even 60 lbs should be coming back your way from the butcher.

When you process it yourself you usually have a bit higher yield because you don't have to do it in a time economical way. There are places on the animal where you can get more meat, but it takes time to get it... also you tend to trim your own a bit closer, and have less waste.
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PeterK did a great job and I'm thinking it is safe to say hunting is in his blood now. I had a great time sharing your first morning in the woods with you. :thumbsup:

A big thanks to jdonovan for putting this together, very cool!

I'm off to chase some bucks this AM, saw two big ones on my drive home tonight and I can't resist, haha.
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Great job everyone!!!
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Great harvest men. JD if you ever need a hand helping the new hunters out just let me know.
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Got my first on my first hunt and first shot! I'm a happy boy!

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My notes similar to those stated above:

1) have the proper knife equipment and they need to be sharp! Gut knife near essential, but a buck nice properly used does good too.

2) warm socks, my toes nearly fell off

3) when sighting in the rifle, remember to max out the scope for close up at long range. This was a duh moment for me. When I sighted in the rifle, the scope was only half-zoomed in. I wasn't precise in my shot. Likewise, I didn't zoom in for my sight picture and misidentified the sex of the deer I was after. Not a big deal this time around, but you need to know if it has antlers or not....

4) get the HME 4:1 pulley system - that's awesome

5) gut gloves are great.

6) even though it's not required now for newly licensed hunters of proper age, having someone there who knows what they are doing is essential. Don't try it on your own the first time out.... I'm so glad I didn't.
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I enjoyed reading this thread as a non-hunter. :thumbsup:
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