I read somewhere that he was cleared by NICS/VASP for the shotgun purchase but not for the AR.Alan, hope you can answer this, according to some source of the liberal media, the Naval yard scumbag shooter tried to buy an AR in Virginia, however he was prohibited by state law from buying An AR specifically as an out of stater. Is that actually the law there?
Aaron Alexis passed Federal Bureau Investigation and Virginia state background checks to purchase a shotgun from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., over the weekend.
Alexis did not attempt to purchase a rifle or handgun from the store, The Washington Times has learned exclusively.
Why rely on Emily Miller's account and reporting? Two reasons. 1. She is a nationally known gun advocate who is also the editor the WT and has recently written a book on guns - she is not going to destroy her reputation with bogus reporting this major story. 2. She shoots at Sharpshooters' Range and has good contacts there.While it is true that Alexis rented and shot an AR-type rifle at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, sources close to the investigation tell me that he did not attempt to buy the rifle.
Instead, he passed both the federal and state background checks and bought a Remington 870 shotgun and 30 shotgun shells (00 buckshot), which he used, tragically, to kill 12 innocent people.
§ 18.2-308.2:01. Possession or transportation of certain firearms by certain persons.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any assault firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation, an assault firearm.
B. It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully present in the United States to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation, any firearm. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony.
C. For purposes of this section, "assault firearm" means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock.
He did not use an AR at the Navy Yard! He only used a shotgun and pistol.jdonovan wrote:The ar-15 and pistol he used was taken from a security guard he killed.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ar15-g ... /id/526467FBI Assistant Director Valerie Parlave said at a press briefing on Tuesday that Alexis used a shotgun in the rampage in which 12 were killed, not an assault rifle, as many news outlets and gun-control advocates had reported.
"We have no information that he had an AR-15 assault rifle in his possession," Parlave said. "He may have gained access to a handgun ... after he began shooting."
Very understandable. There was all sorts of wrong information in the media about this event, and unfortunately a lot of it still remains without correction. That is why it's necessary to check multiple sources and pay close attention to the source.jdonovan wrote:yep, after you posted the correction, I did some searching, and appears the details changed from the last information I had.
AlanM Tactical shotguns (the ones with extended magazines) do have longer magazine tubes than a conventional hunting gun, but they also have barrels 6" or more shorter than most hunting guns. I took a quick look at the Remington 870 Express Tactical: http://www.remington.com/en/products/fi ... tical.aspx It comes with an 18 1/2" barrel and an overall length of 38 1/2". They have a version with a Knox collapsible stock similar to an M4's that would probably reduce the length by another 4 inches or so. As for potentially shortening the barrel on just a standard 870 Express, it would not be a complex operation and could be accomplished with tools purchased from Lowes or Home Depot. I won't say more than that because that act is what triggered the siege at Ruby Ridge during the Clinton Administration. I can't speak for the "plug" that limits 870s to 3 shots, I know in a Mossberg 500 it is just a wooden dowel with an O-ring on it and it takes no tools to put it in or out. Just remove the barrel, put it in or out and put the barrel back on.AlanM wrote:I happened to see a comment on a news item where the person commenting stated that Alexis had sawed off some of the 870's barrel to make it more concealable. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else.
Has anyone seen a photo of his shotgun?
Which model 870 did he buy?
A long magazined gun would make it pretty difficult to cut down the barrel effectively in two days.
Is there a magazine size limit in VA like there is in Ohio? (I think)
All in all, if I could find that article again I would call BS on the commenter.
What do you base that statement on? Here is one among many differing accounts:MarcSpaz wrote:The gun wasn't modified.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/09/na ... 94341.htmlBy the afternoon of the Navy Yard shootings, FBI agents - not ATF agents - were in northern Virginia at the gun shop where Aaron Alexis, 34, bought a Remington 870 Express shotgun and about two dozen shells barely 48 hours earlier. By day's end it was clear that the shotgun, which Alexis altered with a sawed-down barrel and shoulder stock, was purchased legally after Alexis showed his valid Texas driver's license and passed both a state and federal background check.
Real life gun fights are not that clean. As was stated, a competent shot-gunner would reload on the fly and never run dry...the competent gunfighter (within obvious limitations) should have more than one firearm anyway (e.g. AR15 & handgun). More importantly though, the "tackle the shooter while he reloads" is made up Hollywood/media BS (i.e. you don't need teachers with guns, they can just tackle the shooter while he reloads!). Real shootings where the shooter was tackled typically occur when there are lots of people right next to the shooter while they are still drawing or have just started shooting at someone else. Otherwise, there are too many unknowns, too much chaos, etc. to make that a practical tactic.Glockem wrote:This is maybe slightly off topic, but even the larger capacity 870 off the shelf holds 7+1 for a total of 8 rounds. Why with navy or military personnel likely surrounding this guy did someone not stop him while he reloaded the 870 ? Or did he start using that stolen pistol from the guard after firing all 8 shotgun rounds? It takes a long time and concentration to reload a shotgun, so I am surprised someone didn't take action if and when he was reloading.
Here are my qualifications.Chasbo00 wrote: What do you base that statement on? Here is one among many differing accounts:
