It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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Paranoia is a baseless fear. Today, however, there are nearly two million Muslims living among us and little doubt that their loyalties lie with their Nation of Islam, and not our Nation of Liberty.

Many loyal patriots talk a good game, which is easy to do in the anonymity and safety of cyberspace.

How many “Internet Patriots,” however, can honestly say that their level of devotion to God and country, and their willingness to sacrifice themselves, their families and loved ones for their cause is even close to, much less equal to that of the enemy?

We will never be free of this threat until our level of commitment to saving our country exceeds the fervor and dedication of the militant Islamic enemy.

See: http://seggleston.com/1/security/not-islamophobia
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Re: It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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But even though they're a threat... isn't the freedom to worship one of the best things about our country?

Sure, I'm worried about some nut opening up where ever I'm located, but I cannot advocated relocations, or repressions of someone's ideals.

It would be the same thing if the Anti-Gunners got their way, because they equate "violence" with "gunowners".

I wish everyone who lived in this country would stop looking to the government, or repression, to save us.

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Re: It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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In 1739 arrived among us from Ireland the Reverend Mr. Whitefield, who had made himself remarkable there as an itinerant preacher. He was at first permitted to preach in some of our churches; but the clergy, taking a dislike to him, soon refus'd him their pulpits, and he was oblig'd to preach in the fields. The multitudes of all sects and denominations that attended his sermons were enormous, and it was matter of speculation to me, who was one of the number, to observe the extraordinary influence of his oratory on his hearers, and how much they admir'd and respected him, notwithstanding his common abuse of them, by assuring them that they were naturally half beasts and half devils. It was wonderful to see the change soon made in the manners of our inhabitants. From being thoughtless or indifferent about religion, it seem'd as if all the world were growing religious, so that one could not walk thro' the town in an evening without hearing psalms sung in different families of every street.


And it being found inconvenient to assemble in the open air, subject to its inclemencies, the building of a house to meet in was no sooner propos'd, and persons appointed to receive contributions, but sufficient sums were soon receiv'd to procure the ground and erect the building, which was one hundred feet long and seventy broad, about the size of Westminster Hall; and the work was carried on with such spirit as to be finished in a much shorter time than could have been expected. Both house and ground were vested in trustees, expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion who might desire to say something to the people at Philadelphia; the design in building not being to accommodate any particular sect, but the inhabitants in general; so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.
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Not advocating for the OP but did Reverend Mr. Whitefield ask biblical questions of the attendees, release the Christians and slaughter the rest?

No Christianity is NOT the issue Nor the problem.

Radical Islam is.

They should ferret out the blood drenched cave dwellers themselves, but it seems they fear them more than we, probably because of first hand experience.

Franklin knew that, You do not.
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Re: It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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I agree with you, but it is also important to recognize our enemy and take action to preserve life and freedom in the US for its citizens. If a group of citizens becomes our enemy, they are sacrificing the blessing bestowed upon them as a result of their own actions. It does not serve the good of the nation's people if we exempt our enemy because they cloak their hate in religion.

With that said, back to agreeing with you, I don't believe every Muslim is violent or militant and we should not prejudge them as so. The problem is most of the time we don't know who is until its too late.

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The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, not eternal persecution.
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I think the original poster is saying THINK ABOUT IT!

It appears the article is saying THINK ABOUT IT!

Do you advocate being led by liberal political correctness into the slaughter of our sons and daughters by bloody toothed barbarian murderers here in our own country? Have you ever listened to the Nation of Islams call for the blood of your children and war? Were you asleep when they placed a bounty on the head of an INNOCENT MAN? How about when they stood in battle garb in the entrance of a polling place with a club????? Our current government is aiding these activities.

BETTER THINK ABOUT IT!

The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
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Why, yes, I understand that, as my Catholic forebears had to deal with that level of intimidation at the hands of Protestants here in the good ol' USA.

Militants are militants. They are cut from the same cloth, whatever label they profess.
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The difference between Islam and nearly every other religion (other than Progressivism and Global Warmism) is that it combines religious belief with political ideology in an inseparable way, and requires its believers to act on that political ideology.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad

Not an apologist. I am concerned about Islamist behavior, too. But I'm also concerned about the anti-American ideals I see bounced around this forum. "My denomination or you're wrong!" Is not an American ideal.

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I think you have it backwards my friend. Its not a matter of my way or the highway with our members or Americans in general that are upset about this. Its about a large percentage of a specific group (Muslims) that are murdering others that don't share their views.


Look at it like this... lets say 20% of the red haired females of Irish decent you ever came across just randomly slapped you in the face while they were walking by because you are not a redheaded Irish women. After awhile, I think even the most forgiving of people would go out of their way to avoid red haired women when they see them coming. You may even start warning others about your experiences.

Well, lets up the anti and and look at Muslims. The Christian missionary organization named "Open Doors" estimates 100 million Christians face persecution from 2008 to 2010. They also reported that it is occurring in mostly Muslim-dominated countries. That same survey reported in 2010 at least 75% of religious persecution globally was directed at people of the Christian faith by Muslims.

Now granted, it is not all Muslims. It may not even a majority percentage. However, the numbers are high enough and spread globally, to justify people of other faiths, especially Christians, to be suspicious of everyone of the Muslim faith.
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Re: It’s Not Islamophobia, It’s A Very Real Fear

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Mindflayer wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad

Not an apologist. I am concerned about Islamist behavior, too. But I'm also concerned about the anti-American ideals I see bounced around this forum. "My denomination or you're wrong!" Is not an American ideal.
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I haven't seen that on this forum. I've seen it on other forums, especially from militant atheists.
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MarcSpaz wrote:I think you have it backwards my friend. Its not a matter of my way or the highway with our members or Americans in general that are upset about this. Its about a large percentage of a specific group (Muslims) that are murdering others that don't share their views.
Define a "large percentage". There are over 1.6 billion Muslims.

If even 1% were busily murdering other people for simply not sharing their views I think 16,000,000 Muslims (roughly twice the pop. of this state and 16 times the size of our entire military) drenched in blood would be kind of hard to ignore.

Also, Muslims like every other immigrant group tend to suffer a dissipation of identity by the third generation.

An interesting article on young Muslims and the need for American born imams, apparently the Muslims are having much of the same problem with getting young people involved as mainline Christian and Jewish denominations. Over time religion just becomes less relevant in America.

http://news.msn.com/us/demand-for-us-bo ... ues?stay=1
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Kreutz wrote:
Define a "large percentage". There are over 1.6 billion Muslims.

If even 1% were busily murdering other people for simply not sharing their views I think 16,000,000 Muslims (roughly twice the pop. of this state and 16 times the size of our entire military) drenched in blood would be kind of hard to ignore.
Maybe percentage was a bad choice of words. It's more brute numbers and honestly, it depends on the source you choose to reference. Most sources I have seen estimate 1.7 million militant Muslims with over 500,000 specifically being members of the Muslim Brotherhood and that doesn't include possible sympathizers.

It's not 16 million, but that is still more than the entire US military. If the security of our country is to be preserved against this enemy of peace and it came to an all-out war with the militant Muslims, I don't think we would be able to win without the support of the UN.
Also, Muslims like every other immigrant group tend to suffer a dissipation of identity by the third generation.
I haven't heard of any Christians killing other groups simply because they are not Christians. With the exception of the Crusades, they have not been known to have a military set either. The Crusades were a 200 year conflict and ended 718 years ago. When the Crusades started, it was in response to Muslims attacking Jewish and Christian people and it was a matter of excommunication of Muslims for self preservation.

In modern America, the problem I see is we are still seeing a large number of fresh migrants annually of which some of them are still towing the line on this near 1.5 millennium war against non-Muslims. Plus, the issues is not necessarily domestic US, but more of a global concern. Muslims have been combatant against all other religions globally and continuously for over 1390 years. That is a long, bloody history. Again, it's obvious its not all Muslims, but it is a big number and for a very long time.
An interesting article on young Muslims and the need for American born imams, apparently the Muslims are having much of the same problem with getting young people involved as mainline Christian and Jewish denominations. Over time religion just becomes less relevant in America.

http://news.msn.com/us/demand-for-us-bo ... ues?stay=1
Like I said in my earlier posts... anyone who comes to the US and becomes a citizen or is born in the US are entitled all the blessing of being a part of this country. However, if they become criminal, they forfeit those rights. I do not advocate not trusting or stripping rights because of stereotypes.

That was a good story BTW. Thanks for sharing the link.
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MarcSpaz, perhaps I am not being clear. If you come to the USA, and desire to live here, make a living here, raise your family here, and maybe one day become a US citizen, you should live by our secular system of laws and regulations. The separation of Church and State, fundamental in Western secular governments, is alien to most of the Islamic world. Those that come here to our country (sadly, other Western countries have capitulated) need to live by our ideals.

That said, targeting people because of their faith should not occur in the USA. Yes, I have seen it here on this forum. Maybe I just read more threads.

Reverendel and Kreutz brought up some rather good points.
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This guy is spot on when it comes to this topic. The last video posted below is his best rant IMO.

The myth of Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/HR9LVf_KMO0

American Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/6Ff3Qg6B_WY

Ha Ha Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/RfJ6FpabknY
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Mindflayer wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad

Not an apologist. I am concerned about Islamist behavior, too. But I'm also concerned about the anti-American ideals I see bounced around this forum. "My denomination or you're wrong!" Is not an American ideal.

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I must have missed those Baptist militants taking over the mall who dismissed the other Baptists and murdered everyone that couldn't recite Baptist doctorine........

Most other religions have pulled themselves out of the pre-enlightenment bloodbath and into the modern age... one has not.

Can you guess which one that is????? :coffee:
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I tend to judge groups, who profess themselves as groups, by the sum of their parts. Muslims do not denounce those among them that do harm or seek blood but often proclaim them heros and martyrs. Ergo I refuse to see them as anything but what they are militant fanatics!

Other groups such as Christians and yes gun owners are quick to denounce those who have strayed from the paths of good. So I ask you why should I believe any Muslim to be good when they refuse to declare those militants as evil?
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@Mindflayer ... I can't tell for sure, but I think we may be agreeing. LOL I do agree with your last statement especially.
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dmharvey wrote:This guy is spot on when it comes to this topic. The last video posted below is his best rant IMO.

The myth of Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/HR9LVf_KMO0

American Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/6Ff3Qg6B_WY

Ha Ha Islamophobia
http://youtu.be/RfJ6FpabknY
That guy is awesome. Its like watching South Park on Comedy Central. The guy is an Atheist and reams all religion.
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