Why 7 rounds is a stupid and deadly decision

[zykur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNn ... e=youtu.be

[Reverenddel]

7 rounds is stupid to who?

Better than NONE! And if properly placed, quite a deterrent.

[GeneFrenkle]

Rev, it's a PSA against things like the SAFE act.

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[Reverenddel]

Well yeah, I get that, but for the LOVE of Gawd! We keep beating this thing over, and over again...

THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH!

If they did, they would want to strengthen the MENTAL HEALTH laws, not GUN CONTROL!

Hence! 7 Rounds to a teacher is better than NONE, and a DETERRENT if some azzhat walks in with a rifle.

It's like yelling at a wall.

[thekinetic]

I'd make sure all seven were dumdums or better yet black rhinos. It's why I like my judge, it only has five chambers but all five of mine a filled with devastating 000 buckshot. >:)

[GeneFrenkle]

Kinetic - wouldn't that be one pellet? (not being snarky, just not sure how more than one would fit in 410) Why not use the 45 Colt?

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[Snakester]

Every time I see this video I think this Guy needed more Range Time and maybe some Handgun Training. Also maybe a larger caliber wouldn't hurt. With a house full of kids he should also include his Wife in shooting and training !
I like thekinetic's suggestion of "THE JUDGE" ...I also keep mine loaded with 3" 000 Buck ( 4 pellets X 5= 20 ) X 2...My Wife also keeps one close by . She keeps hers loaded w/buck , but prefers shooting 21/2" Bird shot at the Range.

[Kreutz]

The shotgun is always kept ready to go, and ditto for a handgun next to it, both are going with me should I feel threatened in my house.

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[thekinetic]

Kinetic - wouldn't that be one pellet? (not being snarky, just not sure how more than one would fit in 410) Why not use the 45 Colt?

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You sir should shoot one, the 45 colt through it works but it loses a lot of it's potency due to the 2 1/2" cylinder. A 45 colt is only a fraction of that size so when it's fired there is an amount of it gases that exit through the space between the cylinder and the barrel not only slowing the bullet but it dirties up the gun. The 410 shell (the ones I bought for it) on the other hand are exactly 2 1/2 inches, and the 000 buck 410s contain 4 pellets. The even make 00 buck that contain three but I have yet been able to find them.

The judge has it's good and bad points but overall it is a pretty nice gun, though had I know I would have gone with the Raging Judge which adds a three inch cylinder and the ability to fire .454 casulls.

[gunderwood]

Not to be a pessimist, but all the 410 loads tests I've seen for terminal performance were severely lacking. The usual places were recommending going the .45LC route for SD and leave the 410 for snakes. I know several companies have marketed special 410 loads for these revolvers, but I've yet to see anyone who tests by FBI protocols say anything good about them. Does anyone have other test data and link?

[Reverenddel]

Up close, and personal, with multiple pellet hitting your chest... That's a deterrent alone, along with a psychological factor of "OHSH'T!" to his friends.

As to house guns? I think the 12 ga is the finest "house gun" in the world. You rack ONE time BEFORE they get in, but close enough to hear it? They don't come in.

If they don't hear it? No bueno.

[Rich]

Not to be a pessimist, but all the 410 loads tests I've seen for terminal performance were severely lacking. The usual places were recommending going the .45LC route for SD and leave the 410 for snakes. I know several companies have marketed special 410 loads for these revolvers, but I've yet to see anyone who tests by FBI protocols say anything good about them. Does anyone have other test data and link?

From everything I have read you are right on. The .410 shotshells dont penetrate enough for self defense. Ballistic gel tests back it up. Would I want to be shot with one. Well hell no. But I would not choose it for self defense as I have far better options.

[newdovo]

While not completely scientific, here is a performance test on the Judge from the Box O' Truth. It's a very interesting and entertaining website, as well.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

[WRW]

"If you're not shooting', you should be loading'. If you're not loading', you should be moving', if you're not moving', someone's going to cut your head off and put it on a stick." Clint Smith

Armed and unarmed in this vid would do well to heed. And, yes, having to scrounge up double the number of reloadable magazines is an inconvenience to defense of self.

BTW, five or six handgun rounds to stop one criminal is not a stretch. It happens, even to those with extensive training.

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[Snakester]

Well , my Wife got tired of the 870 and the AR leaning up against the wall in the bedroom ! I used a piece of a Magnetic Sign and glued it to the back side of the headboard and it holds "THE JUDGE" in the perfect place to grab it easily and quickly. It's out of sight and I never liked leaving a pistol in the night stand drawer anyhow. I agree that there is no .410 load that is the perfect load for self defense . BUT I'm an old man and if someone is STUPID enough to invade my personal space in the middle on the night I feel confident that 5 - .410 loads at close range will make them wish they had chosen another Activity for the Evening. The 870 and the AR are still "HANDY" just not in sight !