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Our Senators Respond

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I sent an e-mail to both Senator Warner and Senator Kaine directing them (not a request) to vote NO on Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act. These are the responses I received from them.

It is interesting to note that they found it important to tell me they were gun owners (maybe we should ask for pictures :gunporn: ) and the both mentioned Virginia Tech.

Warner is up for reelection in 2014. Time to start identifying a candidate!

From Senator Warner

Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on legislative efforts to reduce gun violence in the United States.

On December 14, 2012, 20 innocent children and six adults lost their lives in one of the worst, most tragic shootings to ever occur in the United States. As a parent of three daughters, this was the ultimate nightmare. Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free of crime and violence: a school.

I own firearms and am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. However, I also recognize that, like with many of our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not without limits. It is unfortunate that a tragedy of this magnitude is what is needed to prompt action, but we need to take meaningful steps that will help us best avoid these kinds of mass shootings in the future. The status quo is not acceptable.

During the Senate's recent consideration of the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (S. 649), I was very disappointed that we could not reach the necessary 60 votes for passage of a reasonable, bipartisan amendment to strengthen background checks. This compromise legislation put forward by Senators Manchin and Toomey would have closed the gun show loophole and prohibited the commercial sale of guns to those who are seriously mentally ill or have a criminal record while also upholding Second Amendment rights. Furthermore, its failure, which occurred one day after the sixth anniversary of the Virginia Tech tragedy, jeopardizes passage of the underlying gun safety bill, which includes our bipartisan CAMPUS Safety Act.

There was also significant debate over proposals to ban certain types of weapons and magazines. I voted against these bans because, after talking to numerous experts, I believe the most effective thing we can do to reduce gun-related violence and keep guns out of the hands of those prohibited by law from possessing them is to pass a strong background check law.

Moving forward, I believe that the Senate should continue to work to pass effective measures that will help to keep our children and communities safe. These include broadening background checks for gun purchases, making improvements to our mental health system so we can provide help to those with dangerous mental illnesses before it is too late, as well as measures to prevent gun trafficking, ensure all appropriate records are submitted into the background check database, and improve school and campus safety.

Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at http://warner.senate.gov.


Sincerely,
MARK R. WARNER
United States Senator


From Senator Kaine

Thank you for contacting me to share your views on proposals to reduce gun violence. I appreciate hearing from you.

No one can deny that gun violence is a serious problem in this country today. We owe it to the victims of the growing number of mass shootings to vigorously debate specific and comprehensive proposals that can keep our communities safer. The right approach focuses on many issues - improvements to the mental health system, better security protocols and common sense rules about gun use, including keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals.

When I was on the Richmond City Council in the 1990s, our city was mired in an epidemic of gun violence that included the city having the second-highest homicide rate in the United States. The most successful step we took was implementing Project Exile, a program that involved federal prosecution and tougher penalties for gun crimes that were previously treated more leniently in state courts. Celebrated by diverse groups engaged in the gun violence debate - including the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign - the program helped drive down Richmond's homicide rate by nearly 60 percent within a few years.

In 2007, the tragic shooting at Virginia Tech revealed glaring weaknesses in campus security protocols at colleges and universities, in our mental health system and the gun background check system for gun purchases. In a bipartisan spirit, I worked with then-Attorney General Bob McDonnell to immediately improve our background check system and issued an executive order ensuring that those adjudicated to be mentally ill and dangerous would be entered into a national database and barred from purchasing weapons. We also changed standards for mental health treatment and increased funding for community health programs while dramatically improving campus security and efforts to assist college students suffering from mental stress.

As your U.S. Senator, I will pursue a comprehensive approach to strengthen the safety of our communities, while protecting our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner who worked with others to constitutionally guarantee Virginians the right to hunt, I know that you can be a strong supporter of the Second Amendment without tolerating the gun tragedies that are too often a part of our daily lives.

Thank you once again for contacting me.

Sincerely,

Tim Kaine
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Yeah, I just got the same. I'll have to write them both back and advise that they stop writing to remind me that they've voted against my specific and expressed desires.
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Form letters full of "I'm pro freedom but will vote for feel good bils that further encroach on law abiding citizens". The only vote they'll get from me is one of no confidence. It will be interesting tosee the NRA and GOA ratings for them.

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Mine from kaine was worded a little differently, maybe because I don't live very far from VA Tech?
Thank you for contacting me to share your views on proposals to reduce gun violence. I would like to provide some additional information on this important issue.

No one can deny that gun violence is a serious problem in this country today. We owe it to the victims of the growing number of mass shootings to vigorously debate specific and comprehensive proposals that can keep our communities safer. The right approach focuses on many issues - improvements to the mental health system, better security protocols and common sense rules about gun use, including keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals.

On the sixth anniversary of the horrible shootings at Virginia Tech, I took to the Senate floor to remember the 32 Hokies who lost their lives. The tragedy happened after a dangerous young man illegally purchased weapons due to flaws in the background records check system. I was pleased to cast my vote on April 17, 2013, in support of S. 649, the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act legislation, which included tougher laws on gun trafficking and straw purchases, and ways to improve safety in schools. I also voted in support of a bipartisan proposal to expand background checks on gun laws, but unfortunately a filibuster of this measure prevented it from passing. I also voted for a ban on large-capacity magazines, and for a proposal to ban combat-style weapons. I am disappointed a minority of the Senate chose to use the filibuster to block common-sense reforms.

As your U.S. Senator, I will continue to work to bring that kind of comprehensive approach that will strengthen the safety of our communities, while protecting our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner who worked with others to constitutionally guarantee Virginians the right to hunt, I know that you can be a strong supporter of the Second Amendment without tolerating the gun tragedies that are too often a part of our daily lives.

Thank you once again for contacting me.
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Over the last 10 years we've become more and more of a blue state and I'm afraid it's not going to get much better. We don't have a viable person to run against Warner and I don't think Ken Cuccinelli can win in the North.
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Dear Potential Supporter;

I understand that you have contacted both of your Sentators regarding their unacceptable stance on current and proposed "Gun Control Laws." In both cases, Sentaors Kaine and Warner have shown a blatant disregard for our rights, danced on the graves of the innocents and used raw emotion to attempt to promote their party's platform of civilian disarmament. They have also made it blatantly clear they are ignorant of firearms by continually referring to the AR-15, America's most popular sporting rifle, as an "Assault Rifle."

Like you, I am tired of today's politicians not letting a tragedy go to waste. Why do the hard work of doing research, quoting facts and citing hard, cold statistics when it is so much easier to refer to Columbine, VA Tech & Sandy Hook - all tragedies that could have been prevented or minimized had law abiding citizens been allowed the basic right of self defense.

I won't lie to you - I am not a hunter, nor a three gun competitor and I am in no way skilled enough to enter an IDPA competition. What I will tell you is that I am a firearm enthusiast who enjoys target shooting, trap shooting, the "Zen" of a trip to the range and camaraderie of the fantastic people I meet there.

Another thing I won't lie to you about - I know nothing about being a politician. I can't tell you the difference between GDP and EDP. My foregin policy is akin to; "Get the Hell offa my lawn!" My economic policy? Let the Market Decide.

We need new blood on Capitol Hill. What we do not need are career politicians - we need "a guy." Just a guy who has seen the best this great Country has to offer and who has suffered through the "Hope and Change" promised by Barack Obama and his Democratic Party. I helped navigate a punky startup to a very successful multi-million dollar sale. However, I have also tried and failed at several businesses, losing every cent of savings in the ordeal. Did I quit? No, and I will not quit fighting for your rights as guaranteed by the Constitution. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. I will ask; "Why? Why do we do it that way? Why are we spending cash on that?"

One last thing I won't lie about - I not a Republican. I am a Libertarian. I will bring to my office the same philosophy I had as a leader in the Boy Scouts of America; three terms in office - no more.

Won't you consider a small donation to get my campaign off the ground? Let's show the world what the united votes of firearms owners can do. Let's truly represent the law abiding firearms owners of The Commonwealth of Virginia.

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Is that a serious bid, Kaos? Cuz I'd vote for ya...

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Is that a serious bid, Kaos? Cuz I'd vote for ya...

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SHMIV wrote:Is that a serious bid, Kaos? Cuz I'd vote for ya...

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It would be a fun, short ride.
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KaosDad wrote:
SHMIV wrote:Is that a serious bid, Kaos? Cuz I'd vote for ya...

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It would be a fun, short ride.
Maybe, but I'm not sure. You may actually succeed... you may be surprised how many would vote for an honest guy, the problem is like always the marketing. But guerrilla marketing, for cheap, still works, and internet is cheap...
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Kaos it would be like trying to take a drink from a firehose...
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I'm in IT - I'm use to that.
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You sure about it being like a firehose? Seems to me it would be more like a sewage line.
And if Bruce Dickinson wants more cowbell, we should probably give him more cowbell!
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