I completely understand where you are coming from, and the sad thing is that I completely what small piece of logic Feinstein is coming from. However, to make a blanket statement that all vets, or all vets with PTSD (note it is not something they put on your drivers license so how they would track it is up for the question). So with the fact that on your Military ID they do not put PTSD on it, are they just going to deny all Vets? Then it goes back to the question, is it ok for the background check to check to see if you were in an institution, or given any medication for some psychosis? Part of me says ok I can see that being good, but the other part of me says, hey wait a minute, what if you were put there by some one else and it was against your will, and they found nothing wrong with you, however, now you have a stigma and can never get a gun or ammo because it is on your record that you went to an loony bin for some amount of time but was released.donut wrote:To be honest with you, it's one of those things I'm kind of 50/50 about. I was in the Army and there are a few guys that were in my platoon I don't trust with firearms any more. As their ability to make sound judgement calls is apparently gone. PTSD or not, it is a condition, and some people that do suffer from it in a way that their sense of reality can be altered. Some of these guys are being medicated with all kinds of stuff I cannot even pronounce. I'm not about to tell you they need to own a gun, carry one or have access to one, period. Because some of them, they stop functioning like a normal person and go back into the zone or start flipping out at people. They don't need access to a gun because I don't think I can trust them to not let one fly at someone who looks like they might be from the middle east.
I know one guy god bless him we were on the same team together, took to drinking excessively. Like how excessive? like .412 BAC excessive. Pulled over with loaded .45 in the car. He's my best friend, but at that point, he's not making decisions properly. Why does he drink so much? Shitty PTSD, we saw a lot of dead people.
I knew another guy, basically leveled his Glock and threatened to kill himself right infront of my friend's wife and their 4 year old. I was also in the room. Drinking, guns, and PTSD. He wound up barricading himself in hosue with his gun and SWAT had to be called in. You can read about it here, I was the guy who called 911.
http://www.dmzhawaii.org/?tag=standoff
Mind you there are guys who have PTSD and function quite fine, it's not them I worry about. It's the guys who have some kind of psychosis or just can't leave Iraq in Iraq. The problem arises where people started using PTSD as some kind of blanket diagnosis. Call it PTSD or call it Bad Dream Syndrome, whatever you want. But for those guys who have this altered sense of reality. Maybe once they get over it and themselves, I'd understand, go for it. But some of those guys whom a legitimately f*** up from the floor up, they just don't need any more guns.
I'm glad we operate by the rule of law (although it sure doesn't feel like it sometimes) instead of someone's subjective comfort level. If we went by Feinstein's comfort level, no one would have guns.donut wrote:To be honest with you, it's one of those things I'm kind of 50/50 about. I was in the Army and there are a few guys that were in my platoon I don't trust with firearms any more. As their ability to make sound judgement calls is apparently gone. PTSD or not, it is a condition, and some people that do suffer from it in a way that their sense of reality can be altered. Some of these guys are being medicated with all kinds of stuff I cannot even pronounce. I'm not about to tell you they need to own a gun, carry one or have access to one, period. Because some of them, they stop functioning like a normal person and go back into the zone or start flipping out at people. They don't need access to a gun because I don't think I can trust them to not let one fly at someone who looks like they might be from the middle east.
I know one guy god bless him we were on the same team together, took to drinking excessively. Like how excessive? like .412 BAC excessive. Pulled over with loaded .45 in the car. He's my best friend, but at that point, he's not making decisions properly. Why does he drink so much? Shitty PTSD, we saw a lot of dead people.
I knew another guy, basically leveled his Glock and threatened to kill himself right infront of my friend's wife and their 4 year old. I was also in the room. Drinking, guns, and PTSD. He wound up barricading himself in hosue with his gun and SWAT had to be called in. You can read about it here, I was the guy who called 911.
http://www.dmzhawaii.org/?tag=standoff
Mind you there are guys who have PTSD and function quite fine, it's not them I worry about. It's the guys who have some kind of psychosis or just can't leave Iraq in Iraq. The problem arises where people started using PTSD as some kind of blanket diagnosis. Call it PTSD or call it Bad Dream Syndrome, whatever you want. But for those guys who have this altered sense of reality. Maybe once they get over it and themselves, I'd understand, go for it. But some of those guys whom a legitimately f*** up from the floor up, they just don't need any more guns.
"Not to worry, I got this !!! " "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John ParkerThat about says it VB.VBshooter wrote:Someone needs to shove something in that bitches mouth and shut her stupid ass up..How an idiot like here ever got elected is a mystery in itself// Must be some really dumb f*&^*rs in CA ..
+1Hocktl wrote:http://www.lewrockwell.com/frank/frank36.html
She should be in Jail IMO.
I know that look, it's of someone who's seen death up close and stared him down. That look commands respect!steelheart wrote:My grandfather was a marine in korea. His coping was beer n tomato juice when he came back. He never talked about things but you could look in his eyes and know he went thru hell more than once. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR VETS!! NOT LABEL THEM AND FORGET THEM!! As for feinstein every time i hear her name i also hear the song "let the bodies hit the floor".
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This is it in a nut shell. Our fighting men and women are not a disposable asset like the proposal to destroy 36 billion dollars of equipment in Afghanistan.My grandfather was a marine in korea. His coping was beer n tomato juice when he came back. He never talked about things but you could look in his eyes and know he went thru hell more than once. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR VETS!! NOT LABEL THEM AND FORGET THEM!! As for feinstein every time i hear her name i also hear the song "let the bodies hit the floor".
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Lets take away their right to worship, and free speech. Lets not stop at ONE God given right, lets take them all!SHMIV wrote:If we can't trust someone with a gun, why would we trust them with a car? Why would we let them buy gasoline, rubbing alcohol, matches, or lighters? Shall we make them eat a steak with a soft rubber spoon?
In short, if one cannot be trusted with a gun, how can we trust them in society?
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