New Voter ID Law Would Ban CCW Permit As Valid ID

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:43:18

The new voter ID law would eliminate concealed carry permits as valid voter ID:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... ful+SB1256

Governor McDonnell could line item veto this part of the law, or veto the law entirely.

E-mail him:

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutT ... vernor.cfm

Or call him:

Phone Numbers:

Office: (804) 786-2211
Fax: (804) 371-6351
TTY/TDD (For the deaf or hard-of-hearing):
1-800-828-1120, or 711

Tell him: WE DON'T NEED THIS STINKIN' LAW!!!

GeneFrenkle · Post by **GeneFrenkle** » Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:55:25

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... d+24.2-643 Section B is relevant. Odd that an employy ID has more staning than a court issued CHP. Nice catch!

Done.

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ShotgunBlast · Post by **ShotgunBlast** » Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:10:03

It's more like a photo ID has more standing than a non-photo ID.

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DryBones · Post by **DryBones** » Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:59:58

"Approved" employer ID. Who or what approves which employer ID is okay?

GeneFrenkle · Post by **GeneFrenkle** » Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:29:45

Yea, that was something i was wondering, too. I can use paint.net or photoshop to create an employee id then laminate it. Maybe this would be a "voting loophole" that needs to be closed?

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RWBlue01 · Post by **RWBlue01** » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:47:13

GeneFrenkle wrote:Yea, that was something i was wondering, too. I can use paint.net or photoshop to create an employee id then laminate it. Maybe this would be a "voting loophole" that needs to be closed?

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Part of me wants to do that.

Part of me thinks that the other party isn't any better than the one in power.

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:54:43

In 2012, according to the State Board of Elections, a "valid" employer ID meant an ID issued by an employer where you worked during the past 30 days.

Of course, the election officials who work at the polls only have your word for where you work. They do not check it anywhere.

That is one reason why this proposed law is so ridiculous: the mythical people who would go to the trouble to falsify a CHP or a utility bill for voting purposes surely have the will to figure out how to falsify an employer ID.

Those laminating machines don't cost so much either.

The bill is sitting on the Governor's desk now: express yourselves:

DryBones · Post by **DryBones** » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:59:30

you would think that only a government issued photo ID would be allowed so that they could prove you were a citizen but I guess they figure that got taken care of when you registered to vote. I still don't like not being able to use the CHP but I always carry my DL and voter ID card.

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:09:09

Alas, your voter registration card will not be acceptable ID either under this new law.

But your DL would be!

Unfortunately, mine is lost somewhere in the wrong shirt right now: SOL baby!

DryBones · Post by **DryBones** » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:29:24

Sp the only allowable ID would be a drivers license or employer Photo ID??? I can't see this getting passed. Too many groups will call foul or racism/ageism. Or did it already pass?

SpanishInquisition · Post by **SpanishInquisition** » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:44:06

The entire point is to require a photo id.

While I am a chp holder myself, and also have a amateur radio licence, and a library of congress card ( it's even gov issued and has a photo), I wouldn't need to use any of those for to vote since I have a drivers license.

Sorry folks, I like this one.

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SpanishInquisition · Post by **SpanishInquisition** » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:47:23

grrr no edit on mobile app...

other than asking for a line item veto on employer id, I meant.

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Paliden · Post by **Paliden** » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:26:30

The main reason for voter ID to stop the fraud. The dead across the country helped push obama over the top. There was a massive push to reg. as many names as everyone could. Then these folks would go vote under the names they reg. Va started looking into this and they uncovered 10K plus just getting started. The system is over whelemed with fraud and may not ever get cleaned up. We are getting closer and closer to becoming USSA.
The couple across the street from me comfirmed all of this, he was very pround of it.
Report it, thats a joke nobody cares and the voter office covers it up and the news media covers it up

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:48:45

Paliden:

Very respectfully, I would suggest broadening your news sources beyond AM talk radio, the Blaze, Fox and the couple across the street.

The couple across the street is only messing with your mind.

An "official photo ID only" law might deter the itsy bitsy teeny weeny number of actual "voter identification fraud" cases which are actually out there, but it would come at the expense of the loss of thousands upon thousands of votes of legitimate voters.

Perhaps you can provide a link to where you got your info about the 10,000 plus fraudulent voter registrations in Virginia?

Thanks!

SHMIV · Post by **SHMIV** » Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:26:33

Who, that can legally vote, and is inclined to vote, would be harmed by requiring a photo ID to vote?

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Post by **allingeneral** » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:02:32

SHMIV wrote:Who, that can legally vote, and is inclined to vote, would be harmed by requiring a photo ID to vote?

Thank you!

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:25:04

SHMIV wrote:Who, that can legally vote, and is inclined to vote, would be harmed by requiring a photo ID to vote?

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Well me, because I still have not been able to find my picture ID -- and keep forgetting to go through my old shirts to look for it -- and that it is not in my wallet. I end up taking it out for so much crap these days -- due to these nincompoop "papers please" requests -- that I am frequently misplacing it. But that is a little thing: I could go back home and get my passport, because I am self-employed, and do not usually schedule other appointments on election days.

More significant is a hypothetical person I will call "grandma": she does not drive, and does not go many places outside of the retirement community, and so has not much use for Photo ID. She voted in November using her social security card or her voter registration card, and is going to be quite surprised when she finds out she cannot do this again in 2013. Ironically, she is more likely than the average voter to vote for Cuccinelli.

SHMIV · Post by **SHMIV** » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:35:22

Well, Donkey, if you lost your drivers license, go fork over the 3 or 4 bucks for a replacement. Not trying to be an ass, but you ARE responsible for your ID.

"Grandma" can obtain an ID card for about 2 bucks. If she does not have that kind of money lying around, I'm sure that a few folks that love her can all pitch in to help her round it up.

The expense is not that great, nor is it prohibitive.

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:40:30

Well, it is easy enough for me.

But not for grandma: getting out is rather difficult for her. Complicating access to the ballot for her probably means that a lot of people like her will not end up voting. In New Hampshire in 2012, about 7000 people (1%) showed up without photo ID. 1% of Virginia voters would be a much higher number, and would have been enough to tip some of our more significant recent elections.

I think that these voters non-participation would be a shame. I think we should be making voting easier people like Grandma, not harder.

One reason is that picture ID serves little useful purpose: it is an attempt to remedy a wrong that pretty much does not exist.

WRW · Post by **WRW** » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:59:51

Granny has two years to remedy the lack of photo ID. If she cannot be informed enough to know this in that time, how can she consider herself informed enough to vote?

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