Armalite is dead to me now

[OakRidgeStars]

For those of you who are not aware of which side Armalite has chosen to be on.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/armali ... g-gun-war/

[GeneFrenkle]

Agreed; police are more equal than others according to Armalite. Interestong that they say AR means Armalite. It meant Armalite Rifle, but due to market saturation is has become a general term like Xerox, Band Aid, and others.

I am quitemsure that even if Armalite took a hard stance, agreements between law enforcement agencies in non-banned states/Gov't agencies would be created to provide the rifles, anyway.

Folks on Gov't have full time jobs in finding ways of getting thimgs done one way or another. The Gov'ts have been doing it for a lomg time, are good at it, and have no personal culpability in any questionable activities or actions (see all of the BATFE "scandals" for a refresher).

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[gunderwood]

Well, I guess they have chosen a side. Too many good companies to waste money on them. Haven't heard back from Glock yet.


This is hilarious when you consider they mainly manufacture DI ARs.

It’s a simple matter of sanitation: you don’t sh*t where you eat. That common-sense message was apparently lost on firearms manufacturer Armalite.

[vonClausewitz]

I agree...and I too await word from Glock...

[GeneFrenkle]

@gunderwood - Not being an AR guy, I don't understand the direct impingement commemt. Care to educate me? I like funny things, too.

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[Reverenddel]

One more for the "Glassy Shards of Sand to pound" list.

I didn't like S&W when they made that deal with the CLINTONS... It took lots of convincing for me to get an S&W M&P15... Still kinda look at it with a bit of disdain...

At least I KNOW the Ak's are Commie built!

[gunderwood]

@gunderwood - Not being an AR guy, I don't understand the direct impingement commemt. Care to educate me? I like funny things, too.

The nominal design for an AR15 is DI. That means the gases push against the bolt/bolt carrier directly to cycle the action. The gases expand inside the bolt carrier and push it back while pushing on the bolt (the gases directly impinge on the bolt/bolt carrier). However, the gas must vent somewhere and that happens to be in the action. This is different then the piston rifles which allow the gas to expand in a cylinder and push against piston which then transfer that moment to the bolt somehow (designs vary). In a simple design, the piston has a rod attached to it that "taps" the bolt and that causes the action to cycle. Of course piston guns must vent as well, but only a few are poorly designed such that they vent into your hands (AK47 I'm looking at you).

The piston guys are always harping on the AR15 because it "shits" (vents the gases required to cycle the action) where it "eats" (cycles/feeds the next round).

[GeneFrenkle]

gotcha, thx gunderwood!

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[RWBlue01]

Be sure to send Armalite an email expressing your feelings.

[vonClausewitz]

@gunderwood - Not being an AR guy, I don't understand the direct impingement commemt. Care to educate me? I like funny things, too.

The nominal design for an AR15 is DI. That means the gases push against the bolt/bolt carrier directly to cycle the action. The gases expand inside the bolt carrier and push it back while pushing on the bolt (the gases directly impinge on the bolt/bolt carrier). However, the gas must vent somewhere and that happens to be in the action. This is different then the piston rifles which allow the gas to expand in a cylinder and push against piston which then transfer that moment to the bolt somehow (designs vary). In a simple design, the piston has a rod attached to it that "taps" the bolt and that causes the action to cycle. Of course piston guns must vent as well, but only a few are poorly designed such that they vent into your hands (AK47 I'm looking at you).

The piston guys are always harping on the AR15 because it "shits" (vents the gases required to cycle the action) where it "eats" (cycles/feeds the next round).

One really bad side effect of DI hits you when you shoot left-handed...you get a face full of gas on each shot...

I have both a DI and a piston...the piston is my go-to rifle...

[RWBlue01]

The piston guys are always harping on the AR15 because it "shits" (vents the gases required to cycle the action) where it "eats" (cycles/feeds the next round).

Like everything else it is a compromise.

[lonestarag]

Seems like a reasonable response to me. Don't blame/punish individual officers for the actions of the tyrannical leaders that happen to be elected in their states.

[GeneFrenkle]

Here's the problem, as I understand it: Officers that purchase weapons for use on the job are acting as agents of their department and obtain items that would be prohibited as a "regular" citizen. Those prohibited items could be used while off duty. If they are purchasing the firearms for non-departmental use, they're acting as a "regular" citizen (a purchase not sanctioned by the dept) and potentially could obtain items that are prohibited merely because they have some sort of law enforcement association.

So, should they have access (implied use) to "prohibited" items while on duty? Should they have access (implied use) to "prohibited" items while off duty? Should they be able to obtain "prohibited" items merely because, at some point, there was an affiliation with a law enforcement body?

[gunderwood]

Seems like a reasonable response to me. Don't blame/punish individual officers for the actions of the tyrannical leaders that happen to be elected in their states.

These gun companies are not punishing them at all, the politicians already did that. After all, they're citizens just like the rest of us.

[grumpyMSG]

One really bad side effect of DI hits you when you shoot left-handed...you get a face full of gas on each shot...

I have both a DI and a piston...the piston is my go-to rifle...

I have been shooting them for 30 years, The only time I ever noticed the gas near my sizable snout was with blanks, then I could smell that ammonia smell. With regular ammo, I never noticed it. Now f you wanted to complain about an old M16A1 carrying handle upper not having a brass deflector made on it, I would admit they could be annoying the first time you use one and they leave the Olympic rings on your cheek from bouncing brass off of it. Even that is easily fixed, replace the extractor and spring and "poof", the ejection pattern changes.

[tacdriver]

Genefrenkle excellent post and well said. Moreover, they certainly have no reason to exempt retired police officers from their new law, these individuals are retired and they are private citizens now.

Those politicians used this tragedy as a means to see who could be the biggest & best Communist (oops I mean Progressive) the quickest...they got what they deserve a POS piece of legislation that shows how inept they are, I say let it stand as is no exceptions!

Regarding Armalite…. I wrote this before and I’ll right this once again.

Aside from the lessons in good PR management, their executive management must have failed history miserably!

If one goes back when the first AWB came and was being pushed onto our rights, I remember all the large companies bending over backwards to cater to the elected officials, they even went as far as chopping off their bayonet lugs removing their flash hiders etc, etc.

Back then these companies figured “appeasement” was the best course of action when dealing with the political elite. Fast forward ten years later and thanks to sunsets in the AWB, we can look back and see what was actually gained through their appeasement strategy.

How easily one forgets only to cover the same ground and repeat the same mistakes, I think that is why I truly believe that enough is enough, we stand together or we fall separately.

This subject of unity under adversity is not about police, not about peace officers; the game of divide and conquer won’t work on me, this is about all of us having our rights infringed upon… period.

I personally have recommended Armalite products to many a friend, and allot of their products currently reside with individuals due to my input, moreover, I personally own one of their products, however, I’m a student of history, I’m not one for appeasement, and I wont be complicit with someone who is...never have, never will be.

Moving forward I will not recommend them or purchase from them, nor will I recommend their wares, I’m only one individual making a decision but it’s the right decision for all of us.