STATES CUTTING EMPLOYEE HOURS TO AVOID OBAMACARE COSTS

[ShotgunBlast]

Big shocker here. Gov. Bob decided that Virginia isn't going to incur the additional $110 million cost of insuring part-time employees that work over 30 hours a week. We're turning into a nation of part-timers because of government intervention.

The costs of Obamacare are not just hitting businesses this year--they are also hitting the government, and public employees as well. Virginia, for example, is about to limit part-time employees to 29 hours per week in order to avoid triggering Obamacare’s requirement that employers provide health insurance to those working 30 hours per week or more. The state cannot afford the $110 million annual cost of insurance.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... care-Costs

[OakRidgeStars]

As the saying goes...

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free".

[mamabearCali]

Gee thanks Mr. President. Just what we needed.

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[VBshooter]

I guess that telling Obama to go to hell thing is just moot huh? States need to stand up to that DC crowd and say NO DAMN WAY !

[mjkneuro]

My wife's cafe used to employ 22 or 23 people. Now she can't go over 20 without having to get every one health insurance. That cost would close the restaurant.
So now 2.5 less jobs. Now multiply that by thousands......

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[VBshooter]

Pass this on as you see fit. Sums it up quickly without a lot of fuss!!

[Kreutz]

If their hours could be cut without any real ill effect...what were they being paid for up until now?

[VBshooter]

Don;t you know?? As state workers ,,we owes them.Why I don;t know..but that seems to be their attitude.. They could fire half of them ,,,make the other half actually work and releive the problem in no time at all

[Jakeiscrazy]

Mcdonald's did the same thing so I changed jobs. I can't afford to only work 30hrs a week.

[RWBlue01]

If their hours could be cut without any real ill effect...what were they being paid for up until now?

I think you missed something.

I have a job that can be done in 100 hours per week.
My options are:
1. Higher 2 people full time 40 hours per week and 1 part time person 20 hours per week. Maybe pay the two to work extra hours and not hire the part timer.
2. Higher 3 part time people for 33.33333 hours a week.
3. Higher 4 part time people for 25 hours a week.

A while back a company would go with option1. Pay a going wage for the work that needed to be done. You may get benefits. You may not get benefits. Market driven. True capitalism.

Then we started having government intervention. Can't just hire two people because that would mean overtime pay. Don't want to hire the people full time because that you may have to pay them severance depending on the state. Have to pay them benefits for the full time employees if you have a company over a certain size. Have to do other things if you have a company over a certain size. So we hire 3 part timers. 33.333 hours is not enough to live on, but .....they will find a second job for at least 7 hours a week.

So now we have Obama care....We can not have 3 part timers. So now we have 4 part timers. They will need to find a second job that provides 15 hours a week AND they have to pay for health insurance even if they don't want it.

There is an exception to the rule of course is, IF you are here illegally, you don't need to pay taxes and you don't need to pay health insurance. If the job is something that is day labor and cash oriented hiring illegals is the best solution for the business. If it isn't a day labor job, but the job can be done by illegals, you can of course pay them as contractors to avoid hiring illegals. It is best if the they set up a corp. to do this. There are some other trick, but I don't know them.

[DryBones]

Actually you can lay some of the blame between steps 1 and 2 on the fat cat corporations and their corporate greed. Cutting 2 full timers into 3 part timers with no benefits mean higher profits. Of course push come to shove they can always take those jobs overseas for even higher profit margins. The government influence has only made this a double edged sword that cuts the working man both ways.

[ShotgunBlast]

Actually you can lay some of the blame between steps 1 and 2 on the fat cat corporations and their corporate greed. Cutting 2 full timers into 3 part timers with no benefits mean higher profits. Of course push come to shove they can always take those jobs overseas for even higher profit margins. The government influence has only made this a double edged sword that cuts the working man both ways.

Not so fast. Yes, there's no doubt that corporations want to squeeze every bit of profit out of an employee, but in a free market corporations use factors like wages, benefits, and good work environments to attract talent. Sure you could probably get by with 3 part timers, but by doing that you cast aside a lot of talent that is looking for full time work. Your 3 part timers may actually cost more money than the 2 full timers with benefits due to the higher productivity and retention rates that you typically see with top tier talent.

[DryBones]

Talent doesn't always mean squat to an employer. I've been downsized twice by companies that thought they paid a senior tech too much and thought 2 at half the cost would be better for the books and stockholders. Hopefully I will never work for a big company or one that is driven by Wall Street ever again. If talent is so report any than why are so many companies taking jobs overseas? Chinese laborers are more talented than Americans or just cheaper?
BTW, one f those companies was a Bain Capital held company too.

[ShotgunBlast]

Talent doesn't always mean squat to an employer. I've been downsized twice by companies that thought they paid a senior tech too much and thought 2 at half the cost would be better for the books and stockholders. Hopefully I will never work for a big company or one that is driven by Wall Street ever again. If talent is so report any than why are so many companies taking jobs overseas? Chinese laborers are more talented than Americans or just cheaper?
BTW, one f those companies was a Bain Capital held company too.

No doubt that many large public companies put talent on the backburner because they've got some bean counters crunching numbers to make Wall St numbers look good. This point is typically magnified after the founder either dies or leaves the company. That's why there's generally a difference between the biggest company in an industry and the best company in the industry.

Part of why companies are looking for talent overseas is exactly why this thread was created - because of the unintended consequences of government intervention. When the government tells a company they need to provide X minimum wage, X benefits, and X hours in a work week, the free market cannot work and American jobs tend to get the short end of the stick. Case in point: Illinois is trying to raise its minimum wage to $10/hour. $10/hour! For your average Walmart cashier or any other menial job you can think of. Ideas like these are designed to help the low-end people, but it's the low-end people that will get cut first. Every business will assess their pool of talent and cut the bottom while keeping those that produce.

[DryBones]

And font forget about the tax structure for companies here in the States. Washington has made a mess of things in that regard too.

[Kreutz]

Think you may have missed the forest for the trees, my post was simply trying to understand:

Virginia, for example, is about to limit part-time employees to 29 hours per week in order to avoid triggering Obamacare’s requirement that employers provide health insurance to those working 30 hours per week or more.

if they could have functioned at 29 hours per week this whole time, why were they being kept around for 30 only up until the insurance mandate was about to kick in? Was this move just political theater?

This should have been done awhile ago if they were overstaffed.

Downsizing has been the new normal for years. Sucks we live in boom/bust economies.

[Reverenddel]

I think most government positions can be eliminated.

There is beaucoup waste in government that wouldn't exist in corporate structures because you have to run lean BECAUSE of profit!

Don't hate companies for being in the business of MAKING MONEY! If they weren't? They'd be GOVERNMENT!

If I could work for myself, get the benefits I needed, and be happier, I'd do it. Unfortunately, the government gets in the way of that. When I tried to go above board, and start a leather business, between the State, Fed, and EPA? It wasn't worth it for part-time business. (Shrugs) Yet another dream killed by government "help".

[dorminWS]

Case in point: Illinois is trying to raise its minimum wage to $10/hour. $10/hour! For your average Walmart cashier or any other menial job you can think of. Ideas like these are designed to help the low-end people, but it's the low-end people that will get cut first.

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The raise in minimum wage is always pushed by the unions, whose members never make the minimum wage. But an increase in minimum wage pushes up wages generally; which increases union wages, which increases union dues. It also pushes up prices and impacts the minimum wage earner the hardest, but the unions don't give a damn about that.
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Employers who are rationally pursuing their own self-interest will generally attempt to to offer wages and benefits calculated to attract and retain the most talented employees they can afford to pay. Employee turnover and lack of employee competence and training is one of the most insidious expenses an employer must cope with. It is simply cheaper/more cost effective over the long haul to have good, long-term employees.

Government regulation and other forms of government intervention simply raise the cost of doing business and leave less room for an employee to pay for the quality of his employees. It really IS that simple.
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Government has no competition, and therefore little if any incentive to be efficient. That is one of the primary reasons they are so inherently wasteful; they are spending other people's money with minimal accountability (at most) for their effectiveness.

[VBshooter]

Sadly we can't all be rocket scientists and get paid as such..Reality says some will have to be the low end of the scale either by choice , lack of education or whatever other reason..Incentive to succeed ends with the minimum wage being raised outragously high... screw Obama and his socialist BS agenda.. Time for a government enema to flush out the crap;..