Mosin nagant

[CSnyder]

Sure some of you have read this, just found it and got some good laughs...


There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant.

Stuff you know if you have an AK


Stuff you know if you have an AR


Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant

AK
It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.

AR
You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.

Mosin
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

AK
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.

AR
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.

Mosin
You can hit the farm from two counties over.

AK
Cheap mags are fun to buy.

AR
Cheap mags melt.

Mosin
What's a mag?

AK
Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.

AR
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.

Mosin
What's a safety?

AK
Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.

AR
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.

Mosin
You rifle has dog collars.

AK
Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.

AR
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.

Mosin
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK
You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.

AR
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.

Mosin
You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK
When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.

AR
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.

Mosin
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK
Recoil is manageable, even fun.

AR
What's recoil?

Mosin
Recoil is often used to relocated shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK
Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.

AR
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.

Mosin
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

AK
Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.

AR
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.

Mosin
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

AK
Your rifle won some revolutions.

AR
Your rifle won the Cold War.

Mosin
Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK
You paid $350.

AR
You paid $900.

Mosin
You paid $59.95.

AK
You buy cheap ammo by the case.

AR
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.

Mosin
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

AK
You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.

AR
You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.

Mosin
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK
Service life, 50 years.

AR
Service life, 40 years.

Mosin
Service life, 100 years, and counting.

AK
It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.

AR
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.

Mosin
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.

AK
You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.

AR
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!

Mosin
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.

AK
You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.

AR
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.

Mosin
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

AK
After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".

AR
After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".

Mosin
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

AK
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.

AR
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.

Mosin
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.

AK
You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.

AR
Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.

Mosin
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

AK
Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.

AR
Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.

Mosin
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

AK
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.

AR
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.

Mosin
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

AK
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"

AR
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.

Mosin
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.

There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.

[scott9050]

Everyone is sold out of everything! I am hoping to find some 9mm next week when we get paid.

The mosin I will likely get next month. Just doing my preliminary research.

[ Post made via Mobile Device ]

Cabella's online right now has plenty of 9MM is stock for reasonable prices.

I just ordered some yesterday.

[Machias]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... nt+Snipers

[Reverenddel]

So? Mama? How was your show visit?

[mamabearCali]

Non-existant....two children vomiting around the house, and husband is out of town.....I don't think the seller of Mosin's would have appreciated me having a three year old that threw up around his booth.....sigh....next month I guess. I think there is a show on the 26th in Richmond.

Mores the pity.

[Reverenddel]

There is one on February 2-3 at RIR...

There will be Mosin's there...

[lizjimbo]

There is one on February 2-3 at RIR...

There will be Mosin's there...

Might be all that's left. Good thing I already got my three!

[mamabearCali]

I know....do any local store in Richmond carry them...apart from my desire, my dads 60th birthday is on the 26th. I would like to get him something he will like. He is a HUGE history buff, even more than me (and I got my BA in it), I think that is something he would love and he could use it if he needed to.

[ Post made via Mobile Device ]

[sboyajian]

If you are willing to wait, Buds still has them priced at $119, although temporarily sold out. Typically with Bud's they show as "Sold Out" only. However, if it says "Reserve Item" it means they plan on getting more in or they are already on order from the distributor.

I have one on reserve.

[Purdune]

Howdy,
Bought my 1936 hex receiver Tula from Bud's in December last year. Was a birthday/Christmas present to me. I got it from Bud's. It was $129 plus another $84 for 440 rounds of surplus Soviet ammo. Mine came with all the fun stuff. You want that stuff as I've seen video's where people shot with and without the bayonet. It is more accurate with! Very happy with Buds and they shipped quick considering it was Christmas time and in the midst of this gun buying frenzy. The only thing I can complain about is the laser etch "dot matrix" style import stamp. Looks nasty but not buds fault. I admit I got lucky as I blind ordered mine from buds and got a really good condition and collectability.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/adva ... sin+nagant

Everyone seems to be out and I have a theory. I think Century arms is the prime importer of them. Same guys on the TV show. For whatever reason they don't have them in stock. Sucks as I would like a second one to cut the barrel to 20" and slap into a stock so I can free float the barrel.

I've only shot mine once but wow! It's a great gun to fire. A couple tips as I've got one and watched hours of Youtube on them. Clean out the breach and polish the bolt. I hand polished mine with some polish I bought at my local auto parts store. Next I removed the stock and plugged the end of the barrel with a rag. I filled it up to the breach with Simple Green and scrubbed the receiver with a brass barrel brush for a shotgun. I did this several times. I also used a 30 cal brush on the barrel. After cleaning it out I did a normal clean with Hoppe's till the patch stopped being green from copper. Doing both should prevent the "stuck bolt" everyone complains about. I think it's two things. First the cosmoline coming out of the metal when it heats up from firing several rounds. Also the Soviet rounds are dipped in what I think is some sort of lacquer. For the ammo I just hand spun them, one at a time, in a cloth. Removes lose lacquer.

Hope that helps!

[GeneFrenkle]

Older Russian ammo is coated in lacquer, newer production is coated in polymer. This is for the steel cased stuff. I don't know if it's also for any Russian produced brass-based stuff. Lacquer supposedly did build up in the receiver and, over time, made extraction more challenging, but with the polymer stuff, it's not supposed to be a problem.

[Purdune]

Oh and some good sites:

http://7.62x54r.net/

http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/

[moss20]

mamabear-- Va. Pistol in Linden, Va. has 2 in stock $185.00 and $210.00

http://www.vapistol.com/

[jdonovan]

if you are still looking...

http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=35

they've got a bunch

[Purdune]

Nice site Jdonovan! Only one left though. I really want to get a solid stock, hex receiver again. I've got plans...

[jdonovan]

wow all 5 were in stock when I posted the link....

if you are a C&R kinda person, allans armory are good folk, and his stuff is usually a notch up in quality from many of the other C&R sellers.

I've NEVER had anything differ, or be below what he said the quality of the piece would be.

[mamabearCali]

wow! those were gone fast!

[Reverenddel]

Feb 2-3 RIR Gun Show... Dark Sun will be there with Mosin's.

[mamabearCali]

woot woot!

[scott9050]

In stock at Bud's for $139:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... d+Shipping