Moran proposes misnomer weapons bill

[airbornepirate]

http://www.arlnow.com/2012/12/20/moran- ... oon+Update

I believe it also includes requiring citizen to citizen sales to have a background check done.

I think it should be renamed the "Stop Patrick Moran from beating up women and his father from beating up kids" Bill if we are going with misleading names

[GeneFrenkle]

How would that be relevant under regulating interstate commerce? There is no p2p across state lines.

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[Reverenddel]

What an asshat... Did ANY of you NRA Members get a poll from Moran? Yeah, didn't think so...

[BlackKnight]

Is this the same Jim Moran whose son was in trouble for election or campaign fraud? The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Bags30]

Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would:
**Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support);
**Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support);
**Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support);
**Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and
**Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard)

Question for Jim Moron - How would any of this prevented Sandy Hook or any other past shooting?
Nancy Lanza's guns were legally owned and she had no apparent criminal past or intent. She was murdered and her guns taken and used to kill innocents.

Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir.

[airbornepirate]

Is this the same Jim Moran whose son was in trouble for election or campaign fraud? The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yes the same one who's son just pleaded guilty for beating up his girlfriend. The same Jim Moran that assaulted his wife, an eight year old kid, and another Congressman (cant remember which one but he was like 75+). The same Jim Moran that used to sell contract when he was on the county board in Alexandria.
As far as the bill... I would have to read through the entire thing. I don't trust that those are the only new restrictions that he is suggesting. Also, none of those would have stopped Sandy Hook, VT, Pearl, Columbine, Aurora, or any of the other ones.

[jasonallen127]

Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would:

Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support);
Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support);
Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support);
Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and
Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard)

I agree with all of these.
-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Private sales are the #1 way that legally acquired guns end up in the hands of criminals. It won't prevent straw purchasing, but it will prevent some illicit transfers.
-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Employees of a business that handles firearms should have a clean record, and they should be eligible to own firearms under the same rules as everyone else if their job involves handling them, selling them, and teaching others about them.
-Folks on the terrorist watch list should not be allowed to buy weapons (common sense)
-Gun owners that DON'T report their gun stolen or lost are dumbasses. Requiring reporting of a lost/stolen firearm is common sense from a CYOA perspective alone.
-Minimum standards for CCW permits is a good thing in my opinion. If someone can't hit the broad side of a barn, I don't want them carrying anywhere near me if something goes down.

I'm curious to see what else the bill includes, but if this is largely the scope of it, I'm fine with it, and happy about it, even though I don't like Jim Moran's policies by and large.

[GeneFrenkle]

- Folks on the terrorist watch list should not be allowed to buy weapons

Isn't that the list where name similarity can cause issues? Isn't that the list where getting on is arbitrary and being removed is difficult? IIRC, that list is _highly_ questionable.

[totes6]

-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Private sales are the #1 way that legally acquired guns end up in the hands of criminals. It won't prevent straw purchasing, but it will prevent some illicit transfers.

B.S. If a background check is quick, easy and cheap. Then why did my "instant" background check take 3+ days last time? (This was over a year ago, well before any mass hysteric gun sale spikes.) And by the way it was not a gunshow weekend. I went in on a Wednesday and didn't get the call back till Saturday. And on top of that, if it is cheap to do, then why is Virginia asking for more money to handle just the background checks for firearm purchases?

-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Employees of a business that handles firearms should have a clean record, and they should be eligible to own firearms under the same rules as everyone else if their job involves handling them, selling them, and teaching others about them.

Maybe you want to leave that up to the owner of the store? The cost of a firearms background check is mandated by state law which is why it is only $2 for a firearm purchase. A standard background check would cost the shop owner much more for a single employee. If anything this would decrease the likelihood of the owner wanting to hire future employees and seasonal help. Why are you going to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a seasonal temp worker you know will be gone in less than 3 months?

-Folks on the terrorist watch list should not be allowed to buy weapons (common sense)

And yet our terrorist watch list so full of crap it is ridiculous. And there is currently no judicial recourse to have your name removed from the list, you have to beg "Homeland Security" to remove you off the list. They even had a sitting U.S. Senator on the list: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/natio ... light.html
An retired general and now commercial pilot, and a small child are on the list too: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-19/us/t ... e?_s=PM:US

-Gun owners that DON'T report their gun stolen or lost are dumbasses. Requiring reporting of a lost/stolen firearm is common sense from a CYOA perspective alone.

The issue I have with these laws are there are usually timelines from when the firearms are stolen and if you do not report them stolen within that time limit, you are now creating a situation where a victim of a crime is now a criminal themselves. What happens when a gun owner is out of town on business or vacation and comes home to find his/her home broken into and their gun(s) are gone?

-Minimum standards for CCW permits is a good thing in my opinion. If someone can't hit the broad side of a barn, I don't want them carrying anywhere near me if something goes down.

Who are you to tell me that I am not qualified to carry a weapon. Will you now tell me that I am not qualified to speak or to vote? Personally I think my vote has the potential to kill many more people than a small handgun that I carry. Look at the Wars that are started by the politicians that are voted into office by YOU and ME.

[zerodown1]

Is this the same Jim Moran whose son was in trouble for election or campaign fraud? The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yes the same one who's son just pleaded guilty for beating up his girlfriend. The same Jim Moran that assaulted his wife, an eight year old kid, and another Congressman (cant remember which one but he was like 75+). The same Jim Moran that used to sell contract when he was on the county board in Alexandria.
As far as the bill... I would have to read through the entire thing. I don't trust that those are the only new restrictions that he is suggesting. Also, none of those would have stopped Sandy Hook, VT, Pearl, Columbine, Aurora, or any of the other ones.

Great,Two doofuses who wouldn't even be eligable to purchase a firearm thanks to Frank Lautenburg giving advise on gun control.

[oldnavy]

If Moran's name is attached, I don't like it.

[dragonzfury050]

Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would:

Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support);
Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support);
Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support);
Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and
Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard)

I agree with all of these.
-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Private sales are the #1 way that legally acquired guns end up in the hands of criminals. It won't prevent straw purchasing, but it will prevent some illicit transfers.
-A background check is quick, easy, and cheap. Employees of a business that handles firearms should have a clean record, and they should be eligible to own firearms under the same rules as everyone else if their job involves handling them, selling them, and teaching others about them.
-Folks on the terrorist watch list should not be allowed to buy weapons (common sense)
-Gun owners that DON'T report their gun stolen or lost are dumbasses. Requiring reporting of a lost/stolen firearm is common sense from a CYOA perspective alone.
-Minimum standards for CCW permits is a good thing in my opinion. If someone can't hit the broad side of a barn, I don't want them carrying anywhere near me if something goes down.

I'm curious to see what else the bill includes, but if this is largely the scope of it, I'm fine with it, and happy about it, even though I don't like Jim Moran's policies by and large.

I take major issue with most of what you said here.

-By this logic the fed now has precedence to regulate any private, face-to-face sale. Not a good thing.

-no comment

-Name similarity, lack of an actual trial to remove your natural rights, NDAA and indefinite detention. All bad things.

-They may be stupid for not reporting it, but that doesn't make them a criminal. They have committed no crime against someone else by not reporting their property stolen. Creating spurious laws that turn more and more of our population into "criminals" is a major problem in this country, please don't encourage it.

-This same argument is used by antis that want to make getting a CCW in a state more difficult. It again comes down to trying to restrict someones rights. While I believe it is the responsibility of anyone that is going to carry to get training so they don't endanger anyone else, it is absolutely not the governments place to make them. Additionally, this just leads the way for requirements to enjoy our other rights, like freedom of speech, or right of habeas corpus.

I'm only 25, and I grew up believing in American exceptionalism, that this was the freest nation on earth, that We the People hold the true power. I can't tell you how much of a punch in the gut it was to be awakened from the naivety of youth.

WTF is happening in this country were anyone would condone ANY government intrusion into their lives. Why is it that when a child hears "shall not be infringed" they understand that it means you cannot do anything to abridge those rights, but our "highly educated" political-elite fail to grasp the restrictions on them and continually break their sacred oaths of office.

I'm tired of all of this crap in MY country. It makes me fighting mad. Take a second and read the Declaration of Independence, specifically the list of grievances. The founding generation of this country would already be telling the government to piss-off, we're doing our own thing. And at the first aggressive act from their former government they would be fighting to the death in defense of their sovereignty and freedom.

Wake up America