New School Shooting

[rlbellco72]

Well said mamabearkali!

[RickShaw]

I don't believe that armed guards at school doors is a good option. The image alone makes me cringe. Training and arming teachers might be a better compromise...but our kids shouldn't have to go to school around guns to protect them from guns. We need to move the solution further "up stream."

The solution is more complicated and nuanced and the following should be considered, among other things:

1. Parenting, parenting, parenting.

2. Enrich pop culture. I'll sound like a prude here, but can anyone honestly say that Lindsay Lohan is a role model?

3. There are places where we can do better with "gun control" and still maintain our freedoms;
a. On a case-by-case basis, consider holding gun owners responsible when their weapons are stolen and used in a violent crime.
b. Address the gun show loopholes by requiring a NICS check before finalizing the transaction.

4. Educate "gun grabbers" with the facts and challenge their faulty reasoning:
a. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and one of the highest gun crime rates in the nation.
http://townhall.com/columnists/stevecha ... andgun_ban
b. Crime rates dropped in DC after the Heller decision.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ndgun-ban/
c. The Brady bill was ineffective.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/st ... -homicides

I agree with Obama that something needs to happen regardless of politics (oh the irony; anything he does, by definition, is politics), but stricter gun control in the form of Brady-style ban isn't the solution.

[dorminWS]

The very thought that the Obama administration is going to attempt to "fix" anything scares the bejesus out of me.

At least some folks are talking publicly about the REAL resons these things happen; like poor parenting, the depravity of video gaming, and the "mainstreaming" of the mentally disturbed, But I don't expect to hear anything from Obama except that it's those evil GUNS.

Obama is just cynically following the Rahm Emanuel rule to "never let a crisis go to waste". He'll use those poor kid's tombstones as a soapbox to sell his gun-abolishment snakeoil and fulfil his outstanding promises to Sarah Brady et als.

[kelu]

TSA at school doors. Grope children daily. Prepare them for the future life style.
Hire 2 million new agents. Unemployment drops. Almost everybody happy.
No me. I'm in analysis mode to get out.

[Mindflayer]

[Vagunlover]

Good point mind flayer. I agree. Informing bad people that there are no weapons on campus is an invitation for shooters

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[scott9050]

I don't believe that armed guards at school doors is a good option. The image alone makes me cringe. Training and arming teachers might be a better compromise...but our kids shouldn't have to go to school around guns to protect them from guns.

I completely disagree.
There are many schools currently protected by an armed resource officer or armed security.
Quite a few of these armed officers are either retired or former law enforcement officers.
They are a much more effective deterrent than a locked door that can easily be shot out.

Other options include redesigning schools so that classrooms can be turned into a safe room.
I have heard of talk of installing heavy doors that are bullet resistant and can be mag locked by the push of a button from the inside by a teacher.
I have also heard of putting in ways for children to escape from classrooms to directly outside.

Crazy people are always going to exist, and even in "gun free" countries like China elementary school attacks are common:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_att ... %932011%29

I do not know what the ultimate solution is, but taking away my Constitutional rights is NOT the answer.

[VACoastie]

When I was in High School, we had a "resource officer" who was a local PD. Armed. I certainly didn't like it then because it made school feel like a jail more-so than it already did. Our school setup made it like herding cows... To get in you went through this TSA type shin-dig with a metal detector that also served as the visitor area. They couldn't enter the school without going through into the office and then through this door. It seriously sucked as a student because you felt like another piece of meat going through the system.

That being said - 20/20 being my ordeal and what I see now - thank god. That thing DID catch some weapons. That officer did find weapons in kids cars (hunting season mostly). Whether the kids dad forgot thr shotgun in the car or whatever, the system still worked and they were found. My school had 450 kids in total. If that many. I'm all for having armed officers patrolling school grounds because it gives that authoritative force that needs to be there should anything happen. Even a fight on school grounds. The number of fights went down drastically simply because people didn't want to deal with Peyton (the officer) coming around.

The school now that's new is a combined Middle and High School, but they are physically separated by walls. To get in is equally as annoying. Even when I stop by every year IN UNIFORM to talk to the kids about military service and life in general, they still ask for my credentials. And these are the faculty that are still there from when I grew up and was knee-high to a grasshopper. My school does it the right way and for the right reasons. The kids.

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[skeeterss0]

whatever happened to the part of the news story about a man in cammies in the woods near the school, was taken in handcuffs by police?

[scott9050]

This guy apparently had no pain response either, and people knew he was crazy since he was 5 years old:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/newtown-s ... M9em3dJS70

Another case of everyone pretending everything was alright.

[RickShaw]

I have to say that I'm pretty conflicted over this one but as time goes on and I reflect on it more, I agree with others here that no amount of gun control will help. The man was mentally unstable and would have found any means to achieve what he did, he just happened to use what has been deemed an "assault weapon" (which have become the scourge of gun control advocates).

For example;

- Charles Whitman killed 13 and wounded another 32 people with bolt action rifles, not semi-autos with high capacity magazines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wh ... _1.2C_1966
- Andrew Kehoe killed 38 elementary school kids with a bomb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

So these black swan effects, however heinous and utterly despicable they may be, will never be fully removed from our society.

I should also add that I'm currently reading this book to help me better understand the issues at hand and to better articulate my argument against gun control. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to do the same:

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Cr ... 0226493636

[Reverenddel]

Keep in mind, a guy with a Bic Lighter, and a Can of Gasoline killed more people at a night club than any mentally unstable shooter.

[VACoastie]

Possible pretty solid motive found now. His mom was going through the court system to get Adam sentenced to a mental institution due to his mental problems. Adam was aware of this and possibly jealous and/or angry that dearest mom wanted him committed to an institution. Maybe that she "loved the school more than him." ABCNews is running info on it that I've seen so far.

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