Better stock up on ammo.

[Rich]

At my gun dealers yesterday. His suppliers sold out of AR's in one day. They predict a new ammo shortage is next to come.

[Mindflayer]

I'll wait for the first mania to pass, then stock up. Though I did buy a brick of .17 HMR yesterday just for fun

[Rualert]

My local shop stated with much certainty that, and I quote "Ammo prices will double again within the year". Their explanation is that the gov is leaning on the ammo manufactures, and will use that to "control" our gun habits. If it costs $100.00 for a box of 50 rounds, then you won't be able to afford to shoot, therefore they don't need to ban weapons. Would be a dirty around the elbow way to you know where to get it done, but for those who do not load their own, this would put quite a dent in their hobby.

OK, </rant off>.

Sorry all, just pisses me off when I want to go pick up 500 rounds, and the local guys state we don't carry in that volume. So I guess it's off to the gun show this weekend, to see if I can't grab half a case, or if the price is right a whole one. Can't jack the price if I already have them. Plus then I'll have usable brass.

[OakRidgeStars]

Taxing firearms and ammunition, as well as environmental restrictions at ranges and public areas, will be the government's best method to suppress the Second Amendment. Once your gun has gathered enough rust and dust, it won't be so hard to part with.

[donut]

Eh I don't think it's anything more than supply and demand, as demand increases so does the price. Happens with everything wheat, oil, gas. If you can sell it for a higher price you're going to. It's a self inflicted wound done by ammo hoarding gun owners rather than some kind of government price fixing system. It's the specter of another ban coming down. Which as long as as the Republicans control the House or the Senate (I forgot which) it won't be happening. Just like he said, all the sudden the AR prices will go up again. And as I always say Bushmaster, Springfield Armory, Cheaper than Dirt, all those guys are laughing all the way to the bank while they claim to support your second amendment rights, now this in turn drives up NRA membership. It's like a self oiling machine. I would think that a completely Republican controlled legislature is the last thing the industry and lobby would want, no specter, no astronomical sales. Prices, and membership revenue all goes down. Again one has to think just how "upset" all these folks really are at the outcome of the election.

[Hokieman1987]

I agree with donut's perspective. There may be a little wagging the dog going on. As long as the threat of any sort of gun ban or ammo tax increase persists, increased demand will be self perpetuating. The vendors are laughing to the bank.

[Reverenddel]

Not being a smartass, but... did ya'll NOT think this would happen?

Writing was on the wall with all the polls, and such.

Barrack Husein Obama... NRA SALESMAN OF THE CENTURY!

[CowboyT]

Guard against that and start rollin' your own. Components remain available, and you'll never have to worry about an ammo supply again.

http://vagunforum.net/ammunition/the-gr ... 15248.html

Since self-sufficiency is a popular belief on this board, it should be a natural consideration for all here who don't shoot rimfire.

[scott9050]

With the Republican's still in control of the House and many Democrats not willing to risk another mid 90's style slaughter after this election, they will do absolutely nothing as far as taxing ammo goes.
I see Obama trying the back door route and patiently waiting for the first Conservative justice to retire before making his move.
He will either do that or try another executive order after the fiscal cliff threat is past us.

[CowboyT]

Yes, he will try. Rev, you're not being smartass, you're being correct. Same for you, marked8. Stevie Wonder could've seen this one coming.

That's why I advocate rollin' your own so much. Even if you don't shoot a whole lot, an inexpensive single-stage setup is easy to deal with, and turret presses make it more convenient. The fact that you've just guaranteed yourself ammo availability (assuming you have components) is a very good case for doing this. Doggone it, the 2A is a RIGHT, not a privilege!

[dorminWS]

With the Republican's still in control of the House and many Democrats not willing to risk another mid 90's style slaughter after this election, they will do absolutely nothing as far as taxing ammo goes.
I see Obama trying the back door route and patiently waiting for the first Conservative justice to retire before making his move.
He will either do that or try another executive order after the fiscal cliff threat is past us.

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There's also the UN Small Arms Treaty. Below is the text of a forwarded e-mail I got yesterday from a friend that lays out the way that could go. This is also cause for concern.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday, Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. It will never happen!

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. Straight into socialism if Obama has his way...

We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).

[Reverenddel]

Cowboy, we may have our differences, but I see the wisdom of your "roll your own" process.

I'm looking into a single stage for both pistol, rifle, and shotgun... (shrugs) Cannot hurt!

Plus? If you get a Sears Lockable tool chest about "table high", you can mount the press to the top, put the dies in the drawers, and store the bulk componets in the cabinet...

I don't think powder, primers, and bullets are supremely temperature sensitive if properly stored, are they?

[CowboyT]

Not really. Powder's a little more sensitive than the others, but just keep it in the house at somewhat reasonable temperatures, and it'll be fine for decades. Primers, I've learned, are remarkably hard to kill, even with WD-40. Bullets, being mere hunks o' metal, will be there long after we're gone.

Here's an example. There's a guy who goes by "Ammosmith", who runs a reloading board. He ran across some old black-powder 50-caliber rounds from the late 1800's, and the gun to match (a pre-1899 antique). First, he took apart a round and inspected everything. Finding that it was good, he weighed everything so that he could replicate the load. Then, he reassembled the round and fired it off. It went bang perfectly. Lotsa "very satisfying" smoke from the BP.

After he successfully replicated the load, he fired the rest of this (now ancient to us) old ammo. All rounds went bang. This ammo was at least 120 years old and could've been considerably older, for all we know. It was subject to whatever temperature swings were there in this old shed where it was found.

Smokeless powder, if stored in reasonable temperatures like most houses have, will last just as long. I hear that it isn't quite as durable under extremes as BP is, but it's still not exactly delicate. I tried a few 7.62x54R rounds from the 1940's a little while back. Every one in the box went bang. This is 65-year-old ammo.

So, it's OK to stock up on components. Fortunately, unlike politicians' promises with a half-life of two microseconds, components do last a long time.

[CowboyT]

One other thing. For your pistol and rifle, you generally can use the same press. However, shotgun shells require a totally different type of press. If you're doing 12, 16, or 20ga, I'd recommend the Lee Load-All II, because it's $55 and works well. However, if you're doing 28ga or .410, you're effectively looking at a MEC press. They're sort of the "Dillon" of the shotshell press world; you're looking, minimum, at $165 for a single-stage.

[Taggure]

Hey T what was that reloading site you are talking about? I have just come into possion of 2 nice single stage reloading presses and 1 Shotgun shell reloading press and am looking to get into it thanks to my Dad.
I have 3 different reloading books now and am trying to get set up to roll out .308 and .40 here real soon. I just bought my tumbler the other day and I have a sizer and scales as well. Need to get my powder to match the .308 GMX 165g Hornady bullets that I am looking to use for my reloads and I am not sure which I will go with.

Vern