ROMNEY WANTS GUN CONTROL!

[thekinetic]

For the last time the government does not want your guns and is not afraid of your guns. Besides which would you prefer, a president who could potentially fail or one that has proven to be a failure?

At this point I vote for a sack of potatos over obama!

[FiremanBob]

Don't let it work. Whatever Romney's past weaknesses with respect to 2A, you all know what Obama wants to do: grab our guns and then impose his fascist tyranny on a helpless population. Just like every other wannabe dictator in history.

Just so I'm clear: you want me to forget what one person has actually done while in an executive position while at the same time be scared of what the other person might do while in an executive position? okie dokie

I'll do you the favor of taking that as a deliberate attempt at seeming obtuse, rather than actual stupidity. No, I'm saying you should weigh the two candidates and make a rational choice between them, since no third-party candidate stands a chance of winning.

If Romney is a half-can of warm, flat Fresca, and Obama is a full, 32-oz bottle of deadly poison that will ensure you an agonizing death, which do you choose?

If it makes you feel any better, having a House full of Tea Party Republicans will bolster Romney's conservative resolve and restrain any remaining urges for "moderation" or "centrism".

Do you have any other dumb questions?

[mamabearCali]

We have a choice this election. Either Obama is going to get another four year or Romney is. Goode may be great, but he is not going to be elected. Romney is not great, and if elected we will have to watch him like a hawk, but he is a sight better than the poison pill alternative.


I am about what is practically possible, not pie in the sky.

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[ShotgunBlast]

Don't let it work. Whatever Romney's past weaknesses with respect to 2A, you all know what Obama wants to do: grab our guns and then impose his fascist tyranny on a helpless population. Just like every other wannabe dictator in history.

Just so I'm clear: you want me to forget what one person has actually done while in an executive position while at the same time be scared of what the other person might do while in an executive position? okie dokie

I'll do you the favor of taking that as a deliberate attempt at seeming obtuse, rather than actual stupidity. No, I'm saying you should weigh the two candidates and make a rational choice between them, since no third-party candidate stands a chance of winning.

The Democrats love you as much as the Republicans for maintaining the status quo and give you an A+ for promoting the duopoly of our electroral process. Enjoy the land of the free! *

* free as long as you choose one or the other.

If Romney is a half-can of warm, flat Fresca, and Obama is a full, 32-oz bottle of deadly poison that will ensure you an agonizing death, which do you choose?

Your poison analogy is flawed, but we can fix it. As the thread is about gun control, something that should be very important on this forum, you'd rather drink the liquid that made you sick the last time you drank it (ie: Romney already has a track record of gun control measures while maintaining an executive position) but you're scared of the drink that you're afraid will make you sick (ie: you're afraid Obama will take all of your guns away as president, even though there's really no evidence to support that phobia).

If it makes you feel any better, having a House full of Tea Party Republicans will bolster Romney's conservative resolve and restrain any remaining urges for "moderation" or "centrism".

Nah, I don't think having Tea Party Republicans in the House bolsters anything related to Romney. If anything, they're a good check for any liberal bills that Obama or Romney would likely sign.

[ShotgunBlast]

We have a choice this election. Either Obama is going to get another four year or Romney is. Goode may be great, but he is not going to be elected. Romney is not great, and if elected we will have to watch him like a hawk, but he is a sight better than the poison pill alternative.


I am about what is practically possible, not pie in the sky.

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You know what happens when enough people are pie in the sky? It becomes practically possible.

What happens if you vote for Romney and Obama still wins? Wouldn't you feel like you threw your vote away if you really supported Goode? I know I would. Wouldn't it be great to actually vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST the other candidate?

As much as everyone here hates Obama, if he does get another term is everyone going to pack up and move to another country? No, they're gonna deal with it. Just like Obama supporters will deal with it if Romney wins. So if everyone is just gonna deal with it if the other guy wins, why not vote for the one you really want to?

[gunderwood]

We have a choice this election. Either Obama is going to get another four year or Romney is. Goode may be great, but he is not going to be elected. Romney is not great, and if elected we will have to watch him like a hawk, but he is a sight better than the poison pill alternative.


I am about what is practically possible, not pie in the sky.

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You know what happens when enough people are pie in the sky? It becomes practically possible.

What happens if you vote for Romney and Obama still wins? Wouldn't you feel like you threw your vote away if you really supported Goode? I know I would. Wouldn't it be great to actually vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST the other candidate?

As much as everyone here hates Obama, if he does get another term is everyone going to pack up and move to another country? No, they're gonna deal with it. Just like Obama supporters will deal with it if Romney wins. So if everyone is just gonna deal with it if the other guy wins, why not vote for the one you really want to?

+1

FYI, voting FOR someone you actually like feels great and you won't need a shower after doing it either!

[Chasbo00]

We should consider the likely people a President Obama or President Romney would place in key positions including the supreme court and the likely effect these appointees will have on our lives and liberty. I'm a strong second amendment supporter, but not a single issue voter.

[dorminWS]

I don't want to alienate people with whom I share a great deal of common views and interests, and for whom I have no small degree of respect, but I ain't going to lie about this, either. With Romney's good debate performance, this election will be even closer, and this is no time to be fv@king around wasting vital votes.

If any of you truly think Obama ought to have another 4-year term, I would think you were wrong as hell, but I could respect that.

But if you realize what an unmitigated disaster that would be for Second Amendment rights, individual liberty, the continuation of our (basically, at least) capitalistic system, our tradition of Christian values and the concept of a government limited by laws and care so little about that you are willing to risk helping re-elect Obama by making an undoubtedly futile protest vote for a completely hopeless third-party candidate, I just can't find it in my heart to respect that decision. I can only see it as irresponsible and nihilistic; and whether you care or not, I am disgusted and ashamed of what you are doing. I resent the fact that you may well be ruining the future (perhaps irretrievably) for my children and grandchildren just so you can do a grownup version of sitting down in the street and throwing a kicking screaming tantrum. If you were a 4-year-old, your mamma could swat your @ss until your teeth rattled. There's nobody to swat your @ss for this, and that's a damn shame. Sorry; but that's just how I see it.

[grumpyMSG]

If it makes you feel any better, having a House full of Tea Party Republicans will bolster Romney's conservative resolve and restrain any remaining urges for "moderation" or "centrism".

Nah, I don't think having Tea Party Republicans in the House bolsters anything related to Romney. If anything, they're a good check for any liberal bills that Obama or Romney would likely sign.

I will take your assumption, combine it with a few of mine and explain why the lesser of two evils would be better.
1. Tea Partiers in the House + Harry Reid senate = legislative constipation
2. Tea Partiers in the House + slightly Republican Senate = legislative constipation
3. Obama appointments + Harry Reid senate = Leftist judges
4. Obama appointments + slightly Republican Senate = few approvals and plenty of appointments made when the Senate is out of session
5. Obama executive orders + Tea Partiers in the House + Harry Reid Senate = no checks and balances on Obama
6. Obama executive orders + Tea Partiers in the House + slightly Republican Senate = little chance of checks and balances working
Throw in Obama's under the radar comment to the radar Brady bunch and his comment to the former Russian president about waiting until after the election, his total lack of regard for the law (War Powers Act) written by his party in '70s concerning Libya, His implementation of much the DREAM act concerning immigration, even though it is in conflict with current legislation and I believe I have a substantial reason to fear Obama's actions after the election. With an Obama Executive Order and Eric Holder led Justice Department, you tell me, who will they go after, folks who are normally law abiding citizens or the New Black Panthers??

[dorminWS]

@grumpyMSG:

WELL SAID!

[mamabearCali]

We have a choice this election. Either Obama is going to get another four year or Romney is. Goode may be great, but he is not going to be elected. Romney is not great, and if elected we will have to watch him like a hawk, but he is a sight better than the poison pill alternative.


I am about what is practically possible, not pie in the sky.

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You know what happens when enough people are pie in the sky? It becomes practically possible.

What happens if you vote for Romney and Obama still wins? Wouldn't you feel like you threw your vote away if you really supported Goode? I know I would. Wouldn't it be great to actually vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST the other candidate?

As much as everyone here hates Obama, if he does get another term is everyone going to pack up and move to another country? No, they're gonna deal with it. Just like Obama supporters will deal with it if Romney wins. So if everyone is just gonna deal with it if the other guy wins, why not vote for the one you really want to?

I appreciate your enthusiasm.....IF there was someone that was the embodiment of everything I believed in and was my perfect candidate.....then perhaps, I would vote for them. I do that in the primaries every time. I voted for Jamie Ratke (US senate), because she was the closest thing I have ever seen to that. Now that she did not beat out George, I am not going to have a crying fit, I am just going to put on my shoes, and socks on and in a month vote for George because Tim Kaine is a nightmare.

For a third party to have a chance they have to make a good showing very early or they are just a footnote. Now, if Goode is your man, then you vote for him. If you are voting third party to throw a tantrum I can't support as Dormis called it...your tantrum.......

Something of note....elections have consequences. So if Obama wins that will have consequences, real life consequences. Some of which could be really really nasty....greece comes to mind. The only reason most of us don't pack up and find another place is that there is no other place to go that is as free as here, even with all the infringements on our God-given rights, so all we can do is turn and fight. Hopefully at the ballot box. Please God that Obama does not do something if he gets in again that would make it otherwise.

[SpanishInquisition]

...Romney already has a track record of gun control measures while maintaining an executive position...

YEAH! 'cuz we all know what he did the last time he was President of the US!.

...waitaminute...

[tursiops]

Don't let it work. Whatever Romney's past weaknesses with respect to 2A, you all know what Obama wants to do: grab our guns and then impose his fascist tyranny on a helpless population. Just like every other wannabe dictator in history.

Just so I'm clear: you want me to forget what one person has actually done while in an executive position while at the same time be scared of what the other person might do while in an executive position? okie dokie

Good point. Nice turn of phrase.

[gunderwood]

I don't want to alienate people with whom I share a great deal of common views and interests, and for whom I have no small degree of respect, but I ain't going to lie about this, either. With Romney's good debate performance, this election will be even closer, and this is no time to be fv@king around wasting vital votes.

If any of you truly think Obama ought to have another 4-year term, I would think you were wrong as hell, but I could respect that.

But if you realize what an unmitigated disaster that would be for Second Amendment rights, individual liberty, the continuation of our (basically, at least) capitalistic system, our tradition of Christian values and the concept of a government limited by laws and care so little about that you are willing to risk helping re-elect Obama by making an undoubtedly futile protest vote for a completely hopeless third-party candidate, I just can't find it in my heart to respect that decision. I can only see it as irresponsible and nihilistic; and whether you care or not, I am disgusted and ashamed of what you are doing. I resent the fact that you may well be ruining the future (perhaps irretrievably) for my children and grandchildren just so you can do a grownup version of sitting down in the street and throwing a kicking screaming tantrum. If you were a 4-year-old, your mamma could swat your @ss until your teeth rattled. There's nobody to swat your @ss for this, and that's a damn shame. Sorry; but that's just how I see it.

You can respect someone who votes for Obama because they think he is the best...

You can respect someone who votes for Romney because they think he is the best...

However, you have nothing but insults for anyone who thinks someone else is the best and wants to vote for them because you won't get your way...who's the 4-year-old here?

You have no one to blaim but yourself for supporting a Republican candidate who doesn't believe in the principles of liberty. It is disgusting that you'd throw "your" principles out the window, that's what's wreaking this country...no one has the courage to stand for what they believe in anymore.*

* Unless it won't cost them anything in which case why not?

[dorminWS]

You can respect someone who votes for Obama because they think he is the best...

You can respect someone who votes for Romney because they think he is the best...

However, you have nothing but insults for anyone who thinks someone else is the best and wants to vote for them because you won't get your way...who's the 4-year-old here?

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Gunderwood, the difference is that both Romney and Obama have a very real chance of winning. None of the third party candidates do. And the margin between Romney and Obama is going to be so close that any 3rd party candidate votes could cost either Romney the election. So your vote for the 3rd party guy instead of Romney as the next best choice or lesser of two evils or however you choose to characterize it may well put a socialist redistributionist @sshole who is hostile to gun rights and all our other dearest values and who doesn't have to worry any more about getting re-elected back in the White House with absolutely no hope of gaining you anything that you want to see happen (except that you voted for whoever it was). So whether you'll admit it or not there is a HUGE difference between your position and mine.

Insults? I thought I was stating facts and my opinions. If what I said insults you I am sorry, but perhaps I should be at least a little bit glad that you care what I think at all. After all, it is only my opinion accompanied by a few pretty-much undeniable facts. I'll take the fact that you took offense as the cold comfort of a tacit admission by you that there is some merit to what I say but you're going to ignore it.

[FiremanBob]

Shotgun, you are acting like a fool. Persistence will prove you to be one.

There is plenty of evidence that Obama wants to disarm us. It has been a position he has constantly spoken of and voted for in his career, when he wasn't voting Present.

As to evidence over the past four years, what do you think Fast and Furious was? It was a cynical attempt to turn public opinion against our rights. What do you think the attempt to sell once-fired military brass to the Chinese for scrap was?

Obama is stupid about many things, but he is a thorough political animal. He has always known that too much anti-gun noise in his first term would prevent his re-election. Do you want to see him with the mask off? I do not - at least not while he is in power.

[ShotgunBlast]

You can respect someone who votes for Obama because they think he is the best...

You can respect someone who votes for Romney because they think he is the best...

However, you have nothing but insults for anyone who thinks someone else is the best and wants to vote for them because you won't get your way...who's the 4-year-old here?

Dang gunderwood, you beat me to it!

Gunderwood, the difference is that both Romney and Obama have a very real chance of winning. None of the third party candidates do.

Oh, so exercising your choice AND viability of winning is what determines respect. And here I thought in the land of the free and the home of the brave the only bad vote was the one that was never cast. It's all clear to me now.

And the margin between Romney and Obama is going to be so close that any 3rd party candidate votes could cost either Romney the election. So your vote for the 3rd party guy instead of Romney as the next best choice or lesser of two evils or however you choose to characterize it may well put a socialist redistributionist @sshole who is hostile to gun rights and all our other dearest values and who doesn't have to worry any more about getting re-elected back in the White House with absolutely no hope of gaining you anything that you want to see happen (except that you voted for whoever it was). So whether you'll admit it or not there is a HUGE difference between your position and mine.

Not my problem the candidate you're voting for is struggling against what many have declared "the worst president in history". You vote for the candidate you support (or at least support more than the others) and I'll vote for the candidate I support, but I won't respect you any less because of your vote.

Insults? I thought I was stating facts and my opinions. If what I said insults you I am sorry, but perhaps I should be at least a little bit glad that you care what I think at all. After all, it is only my opinion accompanied by a few pretty-much undeniable facts. I'll take the fact that you took offense as the cold comfort of a tacit admission by you that there is some merit to what I say but you're going to ignore it.

I didn't feel insulted, but don't take that to say I don't care what you think at all.

[ShotgunBlast]

...Romney already has a track record of gun control measures while maintaining an executive position...

YEAH! 'cuz we all know what he did the last time he was President of the US!.

...waitaminute...

No, but if supporters are going to laud his accomplishments as governor and say how that will scale on a national level and bring our country to new prosperity, it's only fair to look some of the not so good things that may also scale to a national level.

[OakRidgeStars]

S.C.O.A.M.F.

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[mamabearCali]

OakridgeStars,

Which campaign are you referring to ....or just politics in general. Just trying to understand your meaning.