going into md.......

[GmuGuy]

Here is my question. I both OC and CC in va on the daily recently I have been cc'ing more but I still OC about once a week. I am very up on all the laws and I know MD dose not have any kind of reciprocity with VA. At last here is my question I go to md on the weekends to visit my gf. Im having having trouble weighing the risk of having vs the need of my weapon. She lives in Baltimore which as we all know is a "shitty city". Would you all just throw it in the glove box and leave it there? drop the mag and have the mag loaded and ready? just leave it on the hip cc? or by the books stop before the state line disarm empty the mag ammo in one place pistol in another making it useless?

Im just looking for some food for thought...

[OakRidgeStars]

Unloaded, locked in the trunk with the ammo in a separate container.

[ShotgunBlast]

Might be easier to find a new girlfriend that doesn't require you to go through the gates of hell to see her.

[GmuGuy]

so your thought by the books 100% Im wondering if that is going to be the general opinion. I am pretty straight edge and fallow all laws 99.99999% of the time I consider myself to be a good firearms advocate. If I OC i dress well and always act professional and for the most part I try to do this all the time but make the extra effort when I OC. But I have been struggling with this since it is such a bad neighborhood.

[GmuGuy]

Might be easier to find a new girlfriend that doesn't require you to go through the gates of hell to see her.

lol thats what my buddy said but its not that easy

[heyrakes]

something i have been wondering about can you carry an empty gun in MD? kind of what CA had for a while.

[RO73]

something i have been wondering about can you carry an empty gun in MD? kind of what CA had for a while.

Absolutely not. I just moved back here from living in MD for 12 years. In the trunk, in an enclosed "container" is the only way to be legal. Do not mess around with MD, they hate the 2A.

[Mindflayer]

Yeah, in the trunk, locked and unloaded. Keep the ammunition separate. While the AG has said a loaded magazine NOT in the gun is okay, be prepared to spend the night in jail while the cops figure it out, and expect to go home sans firearms after they do.

If she's worth a drive to Baltimore, she's worth moving to Virginia. Call me a romantic fool.

[GmuGuy]

Yeah, in the trunk, locked and unloaded. Keep the ammunition separate. While the AG has said a loaded magazine NOT in the gun is okay, be prepared to spend the night in jail while the cops figure it out, and expect to go home sans firearms after they do.

If she's worth a drive to Baltimore, she's worth moving to Virginia. Call me a romantic fool.

lol I like your romantic views, I wish she had the same.. I did read the MD AG quote aswell but we all know Leo's can not know every law and it seams when it comes to firearm laws most of the time are misinformed which is sad. I literally had a Baltimore city cop tell me hallow points were illegal lol. When dose ones self worth come before the law I often wonder how I would deal with the consequences if I were caught carrying in my car. Sometimes I really do feel the risk is worth having it ready..

[SilentServiceVet]

something i have been wondering about can you carry an empty gun in MD? kind of what CA had for a while.

Absolutely not. I just moved back here from living in MD for 12 years. In the trunk, in an enclosed "container" is the only way to be legal. Do not mess around with MD, they hate the 2A.

RO, you hit the nail on the head. Maryland is Democrat Central and they know what's best for every one of their citizens: no concealed carry permits without a damn good reason, and as many limitations on owning one as they can get away with. Even after a MD judge ruled that MD citizens should be given a CC permit unless there's a damn good reason not to, the state immediately appealed and it goes back to court in October. My gut feeling is the state will get the lower court judge's decision reversed one way or the other.

I've lived in VA from '93 to '04 when I moved to Glenn Dale, MD, in Prince George's County. That county is the leader in homicides and for good reason. What a &^@%$% hole that place is. After 5 years, we finally got back to VA. I still work in MD, and can't stand it.

[RO73]

something i have been wondering about can you carry an empty gun in MD? kind of what CA had for a while.

Absolutely not. I just moved back here from living in MD for 12 years. In the trunk, in an enclosed "container" is the only way to be legal. Do not mess around with MD, they hate the 2A.

RO, you hit the nail on the head. Maryland is Democrat Central and they know what's best for every one of their citizens: no concealed carry permits without a damn good reason, and as many limitations on owning one as they can get away with. Even after a MD judge ruled that MD citizens should be given a CC permit unless there's a damn good reason not to, the state immediately appealed and it goes back to court in October. My gut feeling is the state will get the lower court judge's decision reversed one way or the other.

I've lived in VA from '93 to '04 when I moved to Glenn Dale, MD, in Prince George's County. That county is the leader in homicides and for good reason. What a &^@%$% hole that place is. After 5 years, we finally got back to VA. I still work in MD, and can't stand it.

Funny you say that, I also still work in MD. I just couldn't take living there anymore. The taxes, the taxes, the taxes, and no recognition of the 2nd amendment...My family and I just had to move back. The only unfortunate thing is that I still own a house there. Although it is being rented, I still hate paying that socialist state the property tax.

[Mindflayer]

When dose ones self worth come before the law I often wonder how I would deal with the consequences if I were caught carrying in my car. Sometimes I really do feel the risk is worth having it ready..

You really don't want to risk it. MD police are notorious for finding "probable cause" to search your car for a routine stop. I'm guessing you're not at the point in your relationship where she will want to make conjugal visits over the next few years.

[tommy610]

What you are considering is illegal. Under Title 18, Section 926A, of the United States Code, it states you can transport an unloaded firearm in your vehicle, through any of the states, on your way to another place where you may lawfully possess a firearm. So, as soon as you stop inside MD, MD state law kicks in, which says things like it is OK if the place is a home or business that you own, etc. It is very restrictive. GF's house isn't gonna cut it.

IANAL

[MNMGoneShooting]

I understand Federal transport laws (not meaning I agree with them); but I was under the impression that even having the gun in the car AT ALL in MD was a bad bad thing.

Is it even legal to have it unloaded in the trunk with ammo separated?

[gunderwood]

RO, you hit the nail on the head. Maryland is Democrat Central and they know what's best for every one of their citizens: no concealed carry permits without political connections, and as many limitations on owning one as they can get away with. Even after a MD judge ruled that MD citizens should be given a CC permit unless there's a damn good reason not to, the state immediately appealed and it goes back to court in October. My gut feeling is the state will get the lower court judge's decision reversed one way or the other.

Fixed it for you.

[ProShooter]

The FOPA law only applies to places where you can possess and carry the gun on both ends of the journey. To go from Va to Baltimore as your final destination means that the gun stays home.

[gunderwood]

The FOPA law only applies to places where you can possess and carry the gun on both ends of the journey. To go from Va to Baltimore as your final destination means that the gun stays home.

+1

I think as you have worded it though, FOPA doesn't require that you can carry at both ends, just possession. However, even if you can possess the firearm at both ends of your journey, that doesn't mean you can carry it. You must abide by the local laws, which in this case means the OP can not carry. I think this is what you were trying to convey, but the wording was a bit confusing.

[ProShooter]

The FOPA law only applies to places where you can possess and carry the gun on both ends of the journey. To go from Va to Baltimore as your final destination means that the gun stays home.

+1

I think as you have worded it though, FOPA doesn't require that you can carry at both ends, just possession. However, even if you can possess the firearm at both ends of your journey, that doesn't mean you can carry it. You must abide by the local laws, which in this case means the OP can not carry. I think this is what you were trying to convey, but the wording was a bit confusing.

18 USC 926A - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-201 ... ec926A.htm

§926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

[gunderwood]

The FOPA law only applies to places where you can possess and carry the gun on both ends of the journey. To go from Va to Baltimore as your final destination means that the gun stays home.

+1

I think as you have worded it though, FOPA doesn't require that you can carry at both ends, just possession. However, even if you can possess the firearm at both ends of your journey, that doesn't mean you can carry it. You must abide by the local laws, which in this case means the OP can not carry. I think this is what you were trying to convey, but the wording was a bit confusing.

18 USC 926A - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-201 ... ec926A.htm

§926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Thanks, I didn't recall that "and carry" portion of FOPA. Legally, what is the standard for "carry" for that code? Concealed carry, open carry, private property carry?

[MNMGoneShooting]

So I can take it up to PA (in the trunk until allowed by a state law where I can have it on my person). Otherwise, if I'm going to NJ, NY or CT, I'm sexual-intercoursed.

Got it.