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A lot of people will simply dismiss anything on NPR as liberal bunk, but in addition to some of the local programming, I like listening to All Things Considered because of the wide variety of topics they cover. A few stories from today's show did make me want to reach my hands through the radio and slap the people on the other end like “are you freakin kidding me?”

The first story that got me boiling was part of their poverty series they have going this week and today's story talked about the safety nets poor single moms need to get by. They talk about how children who grow up in poor families tend to end up becoming poor adults. The focus of the story is a 29 year old single mother who is fighting the good fight and trying to beat the odds! She has three kids from three different fathers (!) two of which are in prison. She has a full time job at a local non-profit but she's stuck because after eight years of working there she's maxed out in her position at only $9/hour. So she takes night classes twice a week and if she gets good grades her employer will help with tuition. If she graduates she can get a raise.

So her kids get subsidized round-the-clock day care while she's getting subsidized tuition, her employer also pays half the rent of her three bedroom apartment, she also gets food stamps, and medical aid for her kids. All with her $9/hour full time job. Boo hoo she has it so tough.

So after airing the story they have a mouth piece in the studio from the dept of Health and Human Services talking about the struggles of single mothers and how they need so much help. The interviewer asked why they tend to have so many kids and the answer was along the lines of “they have kids for many reasons, but whatever the reason is we should support them. Think of the children!”

You gotta be freakin kidding me. I'm 32 and my wife is 31 and we don't have any kids. This lady is younger than we are and she's already pumped out three kids. Part of the reason why we've chosen not to have kids is because THEY'RE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. Not that you have to be rich to raise kids, but they do come with a high price tag and we're not going to rely on government programs to subsidize the cost of raising kids. And what lessons are these kids being taught when they're either at school or round-the-clock day care because Mom isn't around while she's working or in class?

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593 ... safety-net

Next story was part of a series about “What is the American Dream”. That's cool. They had some Korean families on. Oh neat, the perspective of immigrants about what they think the American Dream is. Makes sense. So the dream for these Korean families is to have their kids educated in US schools. So they move to the US (story doesn't go into whether they're illegal or not, schools don't check status either), and plop down in a community to get their kids through elementary school. Then they'll move to a community with a good middle school. Then they'll move to a community with a good high school. Go to college then high tail it back to Korea where they'll have a better social status there because they've lived in America.
In some other countries, like New Zealand, goose families are charged to attend public schools. Cooper says she wouldn't want to see that in the U.S.

"It doesn't sound like a very American way to go," she says. "It's a free country with a free public education, and if you start charging people, they're going to start feeling more like visitors. They're not going to be invested in the school and the country in the same way."
Guess what lady? They're not invested in the school or the country anyway because they pick up and move back to Korea when their kids graduate. My goodness, this is crazy.

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/156377938 ... in-the-u-s

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Damn right!

She has so many kids because she can't keep her legs closed. Oh am I evil for bad mouthing her? **** NO I'm a 29 year old virgin cry me a river so I can go fishing and not give a crap! You want all those kids fine you pay for them!!

Well at least those goose families leave, the illegals that stay suck the life out of the country by sending money out of country to bring more of their ilk here instead of investing it back into the system. May I suggest a tariff on all money leaving the US, I'd say 50% should do it.
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Single mothers are a symptom of the decline of western civilization. We ought to be shaming them like we used to, not celebrating them.

This is the first I've heard of "goose families". Ha ha, joke's on them. American schools are horrific. Even the "good" ones - maybe even those especially, since no one expects they've been screwed when they go to a "good" school. So, I have to say I don't care. They'd be better off staying home and not wasting the energy gypsying around our country ruining the minds of their offspring, but whatever, no skin off my nose. It's probably good for us in the long term, those kids will grow up to be as useless as ours, levelling the playing field.
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To me the key point in the story is "three kids by three different fathers, two of which are in prison". I am retired and took a part time job that involves "helping the less fortunate". It seemed like a good idea at the time. But the story of this young woman sounds like most of the "less fortunate" that I deal with. Young women with with multiple kids by multiple fathers who are in prison.Typically, but not always, these young mothers are bitter and spoiling to ruin everyone elses day. They scream at their children and cannot speak a sentence without using F bombs. They try to take advantage of every situation and dispise the people who are trying to help them. After all, it is our fault they are in the situation they are in. Unless their kids are exceptional human beings they will end up like good ole mom and the cycle will continue. So instead of feeling good about helping the less fortunate, in my job, I end up dealing with all the negativity that comes with these pathetic losers. Some people will think I am being harsh but its just the reality of the situation. And one I did not expect.
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I was chastised by the "liberal" community when I suggested that an IUD be MANDATORY if you have ONE KID, and are on public assistance... I said "there's 5 years she's not cranking out babies..."

I was a "horrible" human being, because I didn't want MY money to be thrown away... and bluntly, that's what it's being... THROWN AWAY! Because STUPID people bred STUPID children!
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Familiar story. These women are insulated from the immediate adverse consequences of their irresponsibility, so any disincentive is minimized. At best, we don't discourage it; and at worst, we actually encourage it. Seems to me the root cause of a lot of the failures of liberal policies is the assumption that everybody will be noble and not take advantage of a free ride and/or exploit an opportunity at the other side's expense. Applies to everything from subsidizing illegitimate babies to welfare fraud to the consequences of unilateral disarmament.

My wife and I, despite there being no problem feeding and raising more kids, elected to stop at three because of the enormous responsibility attendant to raising them properly, shepherding them through all the activities they need to grow up the right way, educating them as well as we possibly could, and finally, having the means to leave something fairly significant behind for them when we die so they can in turn give their own children a better life. We'd both have liked to have one or two more kids, but made that decision for the benefit of the ones we already had.

I’m sure a lot of other folks have made similar decisions for pretty much the same reasons. That’s why minorities are quickly becoming the majority in this country. In addition to cultural biases toward large families, in many cases they haven’t got a pot to p!ss in or a window to throw it out of, and neither they or their children have anything to lose in terms of standard of living by having a housefull of young’uns. Throw in the fact that the American taxpayers who have limited their own families then subsidize their fecundity with welfare, food stamps, rental assistance, free child care, and any number of other giveaways. Not only are they (they being the minority free riders) outbreeding us (us being the WASP taxpayers), they’re doing it at our expense. When they’ve bred themselves into a majority (it’s now just around the corner), they’ll elect a whole government in the image of Barack H. Obama.
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Ok....I am a woman, I have several children (4). I am in agreement with most of the sentiments on this site.

Let me have a few things to say however. First off, let me say that I think that the creator of our world (from my perspective) was onto something when he recommended that people not be intimate until they are in a stable permanent relationships (usually known as marriage). Sexuality is amazing and wonderful, but it is also designed to create children which are best cared for in a stable family. You can try to use BC, but it can and does fail. So let us start there, the best thing to do is to wait until marriage to be intimate.

There are some barriers to this though. Everyone in the world seems to think that you should wait to be married until you have a degree, a job, and 30K in your wallet. This is folly. It is one thing to ask a young man/young woman to wait until the age of 18-22 to be intimate with someone they love, it is another thing to ask them to wait until they are 30. Some can do it, most cannot. If we want our children to not have this happen to them, when they come to us at 20 and want to marry a girl they love our first response needs to be measured, not HECK NO! Contrary to popular belief college can occur even after marriage occurs.

So this is where my point #2 comes in. If you can't be good at least be smart. I am not a fan of hormonal contraception. It can wreak havoc with a woman's body. I have known too many people to literally become infertile from it to advocate for it at all. However condoms are cheap! If you are going to be stupid at least be stupid in such a way that won't ruin your life.

Now I am not unhappy with her having children. Children are a blessing. They are also a wake up call. She has gotten three wake up calls from her Heavenly Father to stop doing what she is doing. She needs to get a grip, finish her degree and do what needs doing. Additionally, it would help her if she would refuse all advances from men not willing to commit to her for life.

I don't mind that we have public assistance. We fell on hard times (husband lost his job) and were on wic for 3 months when our first was small. I do mind people not getting up and attempting to make it on their own. Ok, she is subsidized a great deal right now, good. In two years she should not need the majority of that subsidy. In five years she should be able to stand on her own two feet.


Edited to add....It is not the largeness of families that make poverty. But the absence of fathers and the foolishness of mothers that allow her "favors" to go to a man who is not committed to her lifelong. Large families with mom and dad present often do very well.
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I've always said..."If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em" To mamabearcali...AMEN, God said "ask not and you'll receive not"(not a direct quote, paraphrased)
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I don't mind temporary assistance for people in actual need. I do mind excessive subsidies of folks who never have and nevber will support themselves. If that gal in the OP is getting 1/2 her rent paid on a 3-bedroom apartment, that has to be worth AT LEAST $300-$400 a month. (Much more than that in a lot of places.) That's $3,600-$4,800 per year. Round-the-clock childcare is a benefit that just boggles the mind! My daughtewr is now paying a "nannie" almost 30 grand a year for 8-10 hours a day worth of childcare; and that's while sheworks in the same home! So what's 24/7/365 childcare worth? $50K a year, maybe? That $9 per hour she's making now amounts to about $18,720 per year. If the rental assistance is worth $4,000/year and the Child care is only worth $12,000/year, she'd have to get a $16,000/year (or $7.69/hour) raise on her $9/hour pay to equal the "assistance she's getting now. So she's either not going to finish school because she can't afford to lose the freebies or she's going to keep the freebies even if she DOES finish school. At wages and benefits of around $20/hour and no need to watch her own brats, she'll NEVER get off the gravy train. And we'll never finish paying.
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thekinetic wrote:Damn right!

**** NO I'm a 29 year old virgin.......
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Can I ride your pet Unicorn sometime? :roll:
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By the way - I even went backj and read the linked article, and still can't figure out the references to "Goose". Will somebody explain it to the poor, befuddled old guy?
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I've never understood financing a system that rewards you for making bad choices. The kids that work hard and make the right choices get the reward of hard work and a hard life. The kids that make the bad choices get a check and gov. assistance.
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dormin the goose reference is part of the second story about migrating Korean families.

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Which is ANOTHER thing I have an issue. W-8's who are hired by companies then ship half their salaries home, while they're living here in the states...

HOW ABOUT YOU FIND PEOPLE WITH SOME TALENT, AND TRAIN THEM, IN PLACE OF RECRUITING OVERSEAS!?!?!?

You have someone with a VESTED INTEREST in the company, country, and community.
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Reverenddel wrote:Which is ANOTHER thing I have an issue. W-8's who are hired by companies then ship half their salaries home, while they're living here in the states...

HOW ABOUT YOU FIND PEOPLE WITH SOME TALENT, AND TRAIN THEM, IN PLACE OF RECRUITING OVERSEAS!?!?!?

You have someone with a VESTED INTEREST in the company, country, and community.
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Because the nonprofit poverty enablers are only interested in training more poverty enablers (like the woman in the posted link)?

Just about all of the federal training programs are set up so that the trainees are taken out of the workforce, frozen in training, and disincentivized to actually go to work and get the hell off the federal teat. Most of the funding is restricted to such low-income families that two parents making the minimum wage can't qualify because they make too much money. (These are really just another welfare program masquerading as job training.) And the so-called training services are only offered during normal working hours so that you can't get training and hold down a job at the same time. The system is set up and run for the benefit and convenience of the staff and management of the "Community Action Groups" (non-profits that operate off the federal grants) that run the programs rather than the trainees. In fact, to the extent that any significant percentage of these folks should ever actually get a real job, the "trainers" would be putting themselves out of work and screwing up their own performance measures. Many "trainees" finish one course of training and immediately sign up for another - frequently for occupations in which they have little or no prospect of becoming gainfully employed. It's all a monumental waste of time, money, and people's lives, IMHO.
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Government is many things but stupid isnt one of them.

Subsidized education isnt charity; its an investment. College grads make more. People who make more pay more taxes.

The government gets it back, with interest. I got a free ride and have already paid back several times that I got.

I heard some of this too (also listen to NPR) and figured it was just another human interest teenage slut story and didnt really catch the details.
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Take it from a lot of us who have spent a lot of time working with the government.

this statement;
"Government is many things but stupid isnt one of them."

If an entity can be stupid, the government is.
The smaller it is, the fewer "stupid" things it can do.
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ratherfish wrote:Take it from a lot of us who have spent a lot of time working with the government.

this statement;
"Government is many things but stupid isnt one of them."

If an entity can be stupid, the government is.
The smaller it is, the fewer "stupid" things it can do.
I agree with the fish on this one. The government proves time and time again how inept it really is. The less responsibilities and powers we give it, the less we're bound to be disappointed.
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ShotgunBlast wrote:
The government proves time and time again how inept it really is.
No, I think that they know exactly what they are doing. People are already starting to believe that the government is all knowing, and never wrong, the answer to all problems, etc. That's never a good sign.
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ShotgunBlast wrote:I agree with the fish on this one. The government proves time and time again how inept it really is. The less responsibilities and powers we give it, the less we're bound to be disappointed.
Seems to be doing a fine job of growing unchecked to me, which from an evolutionary standpoint shows sucess in its environment.

I don't confuse success with stupidity. Its working exactly like its supposed to.
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