New way to honor veterans

[Hiwaytahell]

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1736023

[zephyp]

I heard about that. Great idea. I wonder how many people will speak out against it?

[SgtBill]

I just filled out a form for my son Jimmy to get a sticker for Iraq.
Bill

[wylde007]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

[Hiwaytahell]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

That is a good thought...

[zephyp]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

Wasnt that one of the new presidents campaign promises? They're already talking about a surge in Afghanistan. Proof that promises are made to be broken. Maybe we should have a law that says as soon as a new president takes office all his/her "promises" are automatically enacted.

[SgtBill]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

I do not disagree with you nor do I agree with you. You have made my son look like a criminal for doing what he was sent to do in the U.S. Marine's the same as I did in Viet Nam and my oldest son Bill Jr. did duuring desert storm. Yes you have the right to your opinion but you do not have the right to call me or my son's criminals for performing as we swore an oath to do for this country.

Question Wylde007, have you ever served in this country's military ?
Bill

[allingeneral]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

This is another of those incendiary comments that would have been better left unsaid.

[wylde007]

Question Wylde007, have you ever served in this country's military?

A simple yes or no? No. My reasoning would probably get me banned, as I suspect I am on thin ice as it is.

I find it confusing that my brand of patriotism is the kind that bore this country out of the wilderness but is now suspect of insurrection. I would have sided with Washington, Jefferson and Mason. I would have sided with Lee, Jackson and Mosby.

I do not agree with the imperialistic use of the military.

This is another of those incendiary comments that would have been better left unsaid.

How do you figure? Is it fair for the best and brightest young men and women to be sent all over the world to fight in foreign wars, displace foreign dictators and come home in pine boxes?

That is a comment against the government, not those who serve.

My father served in Nam. My grandfathers served in Korea. I have a brother in the Guard and a couple of cousins serving in Iraq/Afghanistan. Their services could be so much better utilized here at home defending our own borders and interests, but they are not.

And I have yet to call anyone who has served a "criminal" unless they have chosen to violate their Constitutional oath. Unless you fit that description, you have no fear of being disparaged.

[zephyp]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

I do not disagree with you nor do I agree with you. You have made my son look like a criminal for doing what he was sent to do in the U.S. Marine's the same as I did in Viet Nam and my oldest son Bill Jr. did duuring desert storm. Yes you have the right to your opinion but you do not have the right to call me or my son's criminals for performing as we swore an oath to do for this country.

Question Wylde007, have you ever served in this country's military ?
Bill

Sgt Bill, in defense of your sons, myself, and all other active duty or veterans - we/they went because we/they were ordered to do so. That doesnt make us/me/them criminals. It makes us/me/them soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors for following orders. Big difference.

[ReconDoc]

By respecting their sacrfices,the time spent in the service of our countries armed forces is /and can be some of the BEST times in ones life. The time away from home ,loved ones etc.should not be degraded.those of you that have spent time in an armed conflict already know ,those who have not - will never understand.What makes this country great is that we can agree to disagree,but the troops need to know we are behind them.Thank a vet for his service........

[zephyp]

By respecting their sacrfices,the time spent in the service of our countries armed forces is /and can be some of the BEST times in ones life. The time away from home ,loved ones etc.should not be degraded.those of you that have spent time in an armed conflict already know ,those who have not - will never understand.What makes this country great is that we can agree to disagree,but the troops need to know we are behind them.Thank a vet for his service........

Young works in a barber shop and they get alot of old guys in there. The other day I helped out an old Soldier who fought in WWII and Korea (wearing a Marine logo on his hat) who was about 90. You bet that I shook his hand and thanked him for his service.

[dmharvey]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

Those are pretty strong comments from somebody that has never served in either theater, let alone the military. I won't attempt to explain why we're there if you don't already grasp the reasons by now. However, I will assure you that foreign events have a huge impact on our way of life here in the states.

Is there something "immoral" about about stopping those who conduct attacks against civilian targets (throughout the world)? Is there something "illegal" about rushing to the scene of these attacks to render aid to the victims? Maybe it is "immoral" to help those who are too weak to defend themselves, or maybe it should be "illegal" to provide a nation with the opportunity to live without being crushed by a dictator. These are all things you will never be able to understand because you've never witnessed or experienced them. You comment was based on pure ignorance, period.



Back to the original purpose of this thread...great site and I will be sure to share it with my fellow veterans that served, or continue to serve, our nation. Thanks for sharing!

[wylde007]

Yes, I am less of a patriot and less of a man because I've never served in Uncle Sam's illegal standing army. You got me.

I will never understand because I have never been on deployment defending someone else's interests, my taxes raised and illegal immigrants flooding into my country while I was away.

I can never be as big a man as anyone who served in the military because of the misconception that military service=patriotism.

George Washington warned against entangling alliances and foreign interventionism. Our "leaders" have not listened and it has cost thousands of young lives over the past century-½.

So, by all means, continue to disparage my perspective. If an enemy, foreign or domestic, should threaten my sovereignty I would defend it. I just hope I still have the right to do so. The Constitution AND NOTHING ELSE recognizes that. It does not "grant" it.

[BlueTiki]

I think we are getting off track here. Patriotism comes in many forms and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. That is one of the many things that makes this country great. I think that before this thread takes a turn of misunderstanding we should all step back and relax. This is a good time to agree to disagree and just be thankful for the many good things we have here.

[wylde007]

This is a good time to agree to disagree and just be thankful for the many good things we have here.

Tentative, at best... but acceptable terms.

Deo vindice.

[Hiwaytahell]

I think we are getting off track here. Patriotism comes in many forms and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. That is one of the many things that makes this country great. I think that before this thread takes a turn of misunderstanding we should all step back and relax. This is a good time to agree to disagree and just be thankful for the many good things we have here.

Well said Andy. I originally posted this thread in "support of" our troops ... who I firmly stand behind 101 percent, and always have, and always will. If the comments that occured after the original post offended anyone, sorry about that.

[zephyp]

I think we are getting off track here. Patriotism comes in many forms and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. That is one of the many things that makes this country great. I think that before this thread takes a turn of misunderstanding we should all step back and relax. This is a good time to agree to disagree and just be thankful for the many good things we have here.

Well said Andy. I originally posted this thread in "support of" our troops ... who I firmly stand behind 101 percent, and always have, and always will. If the comments that occured after the original post offended anyone, sorry about that.

No offense here, Bruce. Our troops arent responsible for where they happen to be -- thats a non issue. These young men and women don a uniform, pick up a rifle, and stand in defense of our country - wherever that happens to be. Been there, done that, and I support them all the way.

[jadedone4]

...nuff said...

I (state name) do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

... for some that is easier to remember than our bank account PIN (for good reason..!)

[gorknoids]

Maybe they could start honoring them preemptively by not sending them all over Creation to fight immoral and illegal wars on foreign sovereign soil?

Just a thought.

And we should have brought Tojo to the US to stand trial for criminal acts, right? Sorry, but your Code Pink loses to my Navy Blue.