Trevon Martin Day? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

[allingeneral]

I can post a few thousand more of these if you like.

Good for you. Once you figure out the difference between "data" and "anecdotes," get back to us.

Blacks account for 13.6% of the total US population according to the 2010 census
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie ... 0br-06.pdf

Whites account for 74.8% of the total US population according to the 2010 census
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie ... 0br-05.pdf

And here are arrest percentages from a 2010 FBI crime report
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-43

Table 43A		
Offense charged				White	Black
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter	49.3 	48.7 
Forcible rape				65.7 	31.8 
Robbery					43.3 	55.0 
Aggravated assault			63.7 	33.5 
Burglary				67.4 	30.8 
Larceny-theft				68.9 	28.3 
Motor vehicle theft			63.3 	34.0 
Arson (total)				75.2 	22.6 
Arson (Violent crime)			59.3 	38.1 
Arson (Property crime)			68.4 	28.9 
Other assaults				65.6 	31.7 

In 2010, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.0 percent 
were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.

Out of the percentage of blacks arrested for violent crimes - the LOWEST is 22.6 in the case of arson - even though the black population only comprises 13.6% of our population. Break arson down between violent and non-violent, you see that the black percentage of violent arson more than makes up for the arson total. Now, let's look at robbery. 55% of robberies are committed by blacks, even though blacks are only 13.6% of the total population.

I think you see where this is going. And I will point out that this is HARD DATA. There's no anecdotal information here.

Is that enough to decide who was "at fault" in the Zimmerman case? Absolutely not! But from a purely statistical perspective, I think it's pretty clear that Zimmerman is innocent. The fact that the media and these idiots at Malcolm X Elementary School and the New Black Panther Party and so many others have jumped up to defend Martin and to even go to the extent of offering a bounty on Zimmerman's head is pretty sickening. Would the media act the same way if Zimmerman were dead and Martin were going to trial? No - because it would be just another black guy killing someone - and that's in the news every night, so there's nothing exciting about it.

On another note about "those people"... If you're offended by that term, then maybe you're one of them. If you're just a normal person living your life, paying your taxes, raising your kids to be good and contributing members of society, then you're not one of "those people".

Everyone needs to get over the Political Correctness bullsh!t and grow up a little bit. STOP **TRYING** TO BE OFFENDED! Your feelings are going to get hurt from time to time. Get over it - I have.

[wda82]

If ignorance were a crime you sir would be on death row

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Indeed.

http://www.kbtx.com/news/state/headline ... 06735.html

GARLAND, Texas (AP) - A 76-year-old grandmother working at a suburban Dallas convenience store is in a hospital after a robber emptied her cash register, doused her with a flammable liquid and set her on fire.

Authorities haven't identified the woman but customers at the store in Garland tell Dallas TV station WFAA she lived nearby and had worked there more than a decade.

She was able to briefly describe her attacker Sunday morning and a 36-year-old man was arrested a short time later after trying to break into some homes.

Officers on patrol spotted the fire inside the store and pulled up just as the woman, engulfed in flames, staggered outside. Police put out the flames. She's been unable to speak with authorities because of her injuries.

Wanna guess the race of the would be murderer?




Shocked much?

I can post a few thousand more of these if you like.

What are talking about? what does black men and white women have to do with this thread?

Like I previously stated I don't believe this case has anything to do we stand your ground law and think it's can be a good law but this gentleman's world view is precisely the unintended consequence reasonable people should be afraid of concerning stand your ground law. To be clear you are one sick puppy you're not qualified to perceived threat get on medication talk to a therapist!

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[SHMIV]

Everyone needs to get over the Political Correctness bullsh!t and grow up a little bit. STOP **TRYING** TO BE OFFENDED! Your feelings are going to get hurt from time to time. Get over it - I have.

I'll second that motion!

When did we become so thin skinned? It's getting down right ridiculous.

[wda82]

My only beef with "Trevon Martin Day" is the presumed guilt of Zimmerman and the presumed innocence of Martin. The facts aren't out yet. Let's hope both sides don't ignore them when they do come to light for the sake of justice.

Now to play devils advocate I got a question for you? Is it not equally disturbing that some only concerned about the legal and political ramifications of this case's swoon to Zimmerman's defense aiding a potential killer?

Now this why the type of discourse I would love to engage in minus the hate speech. Personal I don't even think this case comes down to stand your ground. I've obviously wasn't there but bet this was a simple self-defense/murder case

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I would say donating to Zimmerman's legal defense fund or having a Zimmerman is innocent rally would be swooning to his defense. Simply stating that the man is innocent until presumed guilty on an Internet website is just that. After all, that's how the legal system works.

Having hoodie marches, declaring Travon Martin day, now that's swooning to someone's defense. I would say that there are A LOT more people out there yelling "Travon was murdered" than "Zimmerman is innocent" but both groups are a bunch of idiots since the trial hasn't even started yet.

Well first of all let's be clear the family of Trayvon Martin has denounced any special interest groups trying to profit their sons death and have called for civility. The initial outrage was due to the fact that no charges were brought up and a history of discontent between the community and law enforcement. And I think it's safe to say the passion to advocate for Trayvon Martin is due to the fact that his dead (maybe even murdered) and dead people can't advocate for themselves.

Hood rallies, this so called Trayvon Martin day, Websites asking for support and money I can't differentiate between any of them personally

Finally know matter whatever happens in this case some bodies going to scream foul so this rush to judgment will turn in to criticism after the trial is trials over. The case with the mother and a dead little girl they just had in Florida comes to mind. You have the Zimmerman family the Martin family and a community that really have a vested interest in this out come. All these other outside voices as far as I'm concerned is simple manufacturing controversy/outrage to push some agenda.




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[wda82]

I can post a few thousand more of these if you like.

Good for you. Once you figure out the difference between "data" and "anecdotes," get back to us.

Blacks account for 13.6% of the total US population according to the 2010 census
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie ... 0br-06.pdf

Whites account for 74.8% of the total US population according to the 2010 census
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/brie ... 0br-05.pdf

And here are arrest percentages from a 2010 FBI crime report
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-43

Table 43A		
Offense charged				White	Black
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter	49.3 	48.7 
Forcible rape				65.7 	31.8 
Robbery					43.3 	55.0 
Aggravated assault			63.7 	33.5 
Burglary				67.4 	30.8 
Larceny-theft				68.9 	28.3 
Motor vehicle theft			63.3 	34.0 
Arson (total)				75.2 	22.6 
Arson (Violent crime)			59.3 	38.1 
Arson (Property crime)			68.4 	28.9 
Other assaults				65.6 	31.7 

In 2010, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.0 percent 
were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.

Out of the percentage of blacks arrested for violent crimes - the LOWEST is 22.6 in the case of arson - even though the black population only comprises 13.6% of our population. Break arson down between violent and non-violent, you see that the black percentage of violent arson more than makes up for the arson total. Now, let's look at robbery. 55% of robberies are committed by blacks, even though blacks are only 13.6% of the total population.

I think you see where this is going. And I will point out that this is HARD DATA. There's no anecdotal information here.

Is that enough to decide who was "at fault" in the Zimmerman case? Absolutely not! But from a purely statistical perspective, I think it's pretty clear that Zimmerman is innocent. The fact that the media and these idiots at Malcolm X Elementary School and the New Black Panther Party and so many others have jumped up to defend Martin and to even go to the extent of offering a bounty on Zimmerman's head is pretty sickening. Would the media act the same way if Zimmerman were dead and Martin were going to trial? No - because it would be just another black guy killing someone - and that's in the news every night, so there's nothing exciting about it.

On another note about "those people"... If you're offended by that term, then maybe you're one of them. If you're just a normal person living your life, paying your taxes, raising your kids to be good and contributing members of society, then you're not one of "those people".

Everyone needs to get over the Political Correctness bullsh!t and grow up a little bit. STOP **TRYING** TO BE OFFENDED! Your feelings are going to get hurt from time to time. Get over it - I have.

You should definitely keep your day job I don't think there could be a more asinine interpretation of this data.

I'll respond to reasonable conversation but I'm not giving any more credence to this is BS anymore I'm done

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[scrubber3]

I don't really care what has been said. Trevon Martin day is fu--ing stupid. Hey, how about an Audie Murphy day? He actually did something great. Or any of the other military heroes that don't have their own day.

Oh wow, a thug was shot and killed because he attacked someone who was lawfully carrying a firearm for self defense. Let's give him a day!

Any rational and intelligent person should be able to understand the frustration this causes to like minded persons....

So, let's keep this thread on the subject it was started upon. Oh, if you don't like the thread, please feel free to move on. Thanks.

[wda82]

[quote="scrubber3"]I don't really care what has been said. Trevon Martin day is fu--ing stupid. Hey, how about an Audie Murphy day? He actually did something great. Or any of the other military heroes that don't have their own day.

Oh wow, a thug was shot and killed because he attacked someone who was lawfully carrying a firearm for self defense. Let's give him a day!

Any rational and intelligent person should be able to understand the frustration this causes to like minded persons....

So, let's keep this thread on the subject it was started upon. Oh, if you don't like the thread, please feel free to move on.

Blah blah blah

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[Diomed]

You should definitely keep your day job I don't think there could be a more asinine interpretation of this data.

I'll respond to reasonable conversation but I'm not giving any more credence to this is BS anymore I'm done

Gentlemen, I submit to you that this is a textbook example of trolling.

I must thank you, wda82; I have not seen such a classically trollish set of posts in years. It takes me back to my misspent youth. You have earned your troll merit badge.

[scrubber3]

I don't really care what has been said. Trevon Martin day is fu--ing stupid. Hey, how about an Audie Murphy day? He actually did something great. Or any of the other military heroes that don't have their own day.

Oh wow, a thug was shot and killed because he attacked someone who was lawfully carrying a firearm for self defense. Let's give him a day!

Any rational and intelligent person should be able to understand the frustration this causes to like minded persons....

So, let's keep this thread on the subject it was started upon. Oh, if you don't like the thread, please feel free to move on.

Blah blah blah

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Proof that you are neither rational or intelligent. Thank you for clarifying. you are now ignored as I feel everyone else should do.

[FiremanBob]

This news makes me want to get a hoodie with the legend "Team Zimmerman" and a silhouette of a 1911 on the front and back. I could wear it at the Trayvon Day festivities.

[scott9050]

You should definitely keep your day job I don't think there could be a more asinine interpretation of this data.

I'll respond to reasonable conversation but I'm not giving any more credence to this is BS anymore I'm done

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I have a BA in Criminal Justice and before that worked in a maximum security prison in North Carolina before that. The stats he gave are accurate and are taught in colleges across the country by both black and white professors. One of the questions asked then and I am sure is asked now is why are blacks much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites? Blacks commit other crimes at the same rates as whites, but when it comes to violent crimes they commit more of them than every other race combined. It is a cold hard fact, and one that you can't explain so you name call another member.
Typical Liberal response when shown hard data, name call and run. Reminds me of the Wisconsin Democrats when they fled the state.

[Jamie]

To recap: Trayvon Martin Day is stupid. Zimmerman was likely innocent. Blacks commit crimes in higher proportion to their population of the US. There are racial hucksters trying to make this a narrative about a poor black kid being shot by a mean white guy.

None of the above justify some of the comments that have been made.

If you think that makes me politically correct... well, if you scroll to the bottom of this page: http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/weyrich.htm you will see a series called "Against the Grain" that I was the project manager for and for which I wrote at least one of the introductions. I wrote the initial script and did the fundraising for this series on the history of political correctness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUmxtJI0lY (although it was highly rewritten before airing). Sooooooo.... yeah, I don't think the PC charge is going to stick here.

[Jamie]

BTW, allingeneral, are you aware that if you adjust those numbers for those from intact families the race difference all but disappears? Does that have any impact on your thinking?

[allingeneral]

BTW, allingeneral, are you aware that if you adjust those numbers for those from intact families the race difference all but disappears? Does that have any impact on your thinking?

Jamie,

That's an interesting point, but it doesn't detract at all from my post. Regardless of how the problem is engrained in the black community, it's still a black problem. I'm not saying any of this as a racist - I'm saying is as hard facts that cannot be disputed.

So, the question is - how do we fix it? I would suggest that we can start by getting rid of or heavily cutting welfare, as it's clearly a large source of the problem. Give welfare to those who actually need it, but stop giving it away on the basis of how many kids an inner-city mom can shoot out with no care for who their dad is or how they will be taken care of and nurtured socially.

[dorminWS]

BTW, allingeneral, are you aware that if you adjust those numbers for those from intact families the race difference all but disappears? Does that have any impact on your thinking?

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HOW IN THE WORLD does the fact that such a large percentage of black families are "not intact" mitigate the fact that blacks commit a non-proportional percentage of violent crimes? It probably explains (at least partially) why that is true, but it is certainly no excuse for it; nor, in my opinion, does it exculpate the black perpetrators or their families. Blacks are not racially more prone to crime. Nobody but a true racist would even consider saying that. What you're really saying here is that the diproportionately high black violent crime rate is a consequence of personal choices made by many in the black community. So why should they get a "pass" on taking the responsibility for it?

[Reca]

So, the question is - how do we fix it? I would suggest that we can start by getting rid of or heavily cutting welfare, as it's clearly a large source of the problem. Give welfare to those who actually need it, but stop giving it away on the basis of how many kids an inner-city mom can shoot out with no care for who their dad is or how they will be taken care of and nurtured socially.

As a man who was born and raised in poverty, brought up on welfare, & in the projects of the south Bronx. I honestly could not agree with you more. I know first hand how so many people take advantage of the “system” and it sickens me. I left NYC for many reasons. Among those reasons is the fact that people take the help offered by the government as a way out of working. They would rather stay home and collect a check for doing nothing than go out and make an “honest” living. Food stamps get traded for cash. Cash gets used for drugs. Teenagers have babies and the parents don’t care as long as another check is sent in return.

Now don’t get me wrong there are those who use the system the right way. Where someone gets in a tough spot and needs help to get on their feet. Once on their feet they get off of the assistance because it is no longer needed. Why keep yourself down? Why not get more and do more with your hard earned money… I have been raised with a group of friends that were taught how to get by. Why would anyone want to struggle and just get by?

Cutting down on welfare would force people to get off their lazy (_!_)’s and actually earn their place in society. I am not saying it should be completely removed because sometimes some people just need a little extra help. Not everyone can control job cuts & if your name ends up on that list and no one else is around to put food in your child’s mouth then by all means take the helping hand but don’t abuse it. A lot can change if this were to actually happen.

I hate to throw the race card out there but if Zimmerman’s last name had been Rodriguez or Johnson this media blast would never made it out this far. With that being said Trevon Martin Day is BS and anyone who actually partakes in this is ignorant for having done so.

[Kreutz]

What are talking about? what does black men and white women have to do with this thread?

Like I previously stated I don't believe this case has anything to do we stand your ground law and think it's can be a good law but this gentleman's world view is precisely the unintended consequence reasonable people should be afraid of concerning stand your ground law. To be clear you are one sick puppy you're not qualified to perceived threat get on medication talk to a therapist!

How is not related? You took umbrage to my claim racism is a survival strategy, so I gave you a reason why its a good thing.

I'm not exaggerating that I can give thousands more like this, yet, they're never spread beyond local news. There has been a low level war on whites by blacks since about the early 1970's in the US, and its been heating up more (no pun intended since they seem to like burning white people to death, wanna read some more on that?).

By and by, Now, if a white man and incinerated a black woman, well, we'd all hear about that would we?

And since when does noticing reality qualify one for mental meds?

Again, reality is racist.

To be clear you are one sick puppy you're not qualified to perceived threat get on medication talk to a therapist!

Grammar are good.

[dorminWS]

@ Kreutz:

http://vagunforum.net/politics/the-root ... ml#p123542

[TacticalMom]

So, the question is - how do we fix it? I would suggest that we can start by getting rid of or heavily cutting welfare, as it's clearly a large source of the problem. Give welfare to those who actually need it, but stop giving it away on the basis of how many kids an inner-city mom can shoot out with no care for who their dad is or how they will be taken care of and nurtured socially.

As a man who was born and raised in poverty, brought up on welfare, & in the projects of the south Bronx. I honestly could not agree with you more. I know first hand how so many people take advantage of the “system” and it sickens me. I left NYC for many reasons. Among those reasons is the fact that people take the help offered by the government as a way out of working. They would rather stay home and collect a check for doing nothing than go out and make an “honest” living. Food stamps get traded for cash. Cash gets used for drugs. Teenagers have babies and the parents don’t care as long as another check is sent in return.

Now don’t get me wrong there are those who use the system the right way. Where someone gets in a tough spot and needs help to get on their feet. Once on their feet they get off of the assistance because it is no longer needed. Why keep yourself down? Why not get more and do more with your hard earned money… I have been raised with a group of friends that were taught how to get by. Why would anyone want to struggle and just get by?

Cutting down on welfare would force people to get off their lazy (_!_)’s and actually earn their place in society. I am not saying it should be completely removed because sometimes some people just need a little extra help. Not everyone can control job cuts & if your name ends up on that list and no one else is around to put food in your child’s mouth then by all means take the helping hand but don’t abuse it. A lot can change if this were to actually happen.

I hate to throw the race card out there but if Zimmerman’s last name had been Rodriguez or Johnson this media blast would never made it out this far. With that being said Trevon Martin Day is BS and anyone who actually partakes in this is ignorant for having done so.

I am a 1/2 Japanese, 1/4 Cherokee, 1/4 Irish, woman. I only explain my lineage to give background. My mother came from a well to do family. She met my dad a Marine in Japan, the rest is history.

They divorced and my family had a hard time getting by for a while. She made less than 1000 bucks a month, she refused help mainly because she is prideful, but also she believes in working hard. We were able to scrape by, and she accepted help only when it was left at the door of our home (one thanksgiving that is what the church had to do for us). I never went without my necessities. Luckily she was in the Army at the time so housing was furnished for us because we lived on base.

I knew many families that were on welfare and we unfortunately have extended family on it, they stay on it because it is more profitable for them to collect then to actually work for their money. It disgusts me, the extended family are both able bodied but refuse to do more, or get permanent employment because they would be making less for a few years doing that than getting hand outs. My extended family that is on it is all white.

I will conclude with this: Being technically a minority (although I am very light skinned =)), that came from divorced/broken family that went through hard times, I really believe that it is how you are raised, what values you instill or have instilled in you and moral compass that will determine what kind of person you will be. What a person will be willing to do to get what they want, be it hard work, or just take by force or violence, is a reflection of your background, for good or bad. I included my race and background and those of my extended family to give examples. I however, do not believe that one race in particular is worse than the other. Like all things one must take the compounding variables into consideration.

Again my two cents for what it is worth. I hope that the two families will have some resolution soon, so that they can move on.