VA CCW, FL CCW, BOTH and in what order?

[outd00rs]

Posting a question that I recently had concerning acquiring a CCW license.

I live in VA and know that it's not that difficult to get a VA resident CCW license.

There was recently an online coupon for my local area stating that a Florida CCW license could be obtained which has a reciprocity agreement in place with VA.

The VA State Police website states that non-resident FL residents with a FL CCW license do not have CC rights in VA.

I'm somewhat confused. The FL licensing office states that they do have reciprocity with VA.

From the FL licensing offic VA is called out as a state with reciprocity. But does this mean only if you are a FL resident?

From the VA State Police site:

* Virginia non-resident permit holders – Virginia non-resident permit holders should contact each reciprocal state to determine if their permit will be recognized prior to carrying in that jurisdiction.

Florida law does not grant reciprocity to holders of Virginia non-resident permits.

So a couple of questions.

As a VA resident do I have to get a CCW permit from VA?
Can I get a CCW license for FL only?

Thanks for the input.

[OakRidgeStars]

Since you are a VA resident, get your resident CHP first. Florida does honor a VA resident CHP. Read more below:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

There is no need for a VA resident with a VA CHP to get a FL permit to have reciprocity while in FL.

[SeasonedRookie]

I just moved here, I have a Florida CWP. A Florida CWP is non Specific as to whether or not you are a resident of Florida. I lived in Florida when I got mine but it makes no note of whether it is a resident CWP or a non resident CWP. I just went online and changed my address with the Florida dept of licensing to my current Virginia address, more to keep it updated and to make sure I get my renewal notice sent here than anything else but one of the guys at Loudon Guns said I should be good to carry as long as the Florida dept of licensing has my current address. I hadn't even thought of that but I already had updated my info with them. I'm not saying it is law because a guy at a gun store said so ( although it is a proven fact that all guys that work at all gun stores are always right about everything ), I'm just saying if it has reciprocity I should be OK to carry concealed here shouldn't I ? I actually just moved here from Seattle Washington, not Florida and have a Washington State CPL as well ( which Virginia has an agreement with but not reciprocity whatever that means. What does that mean? ). So do I have to have a Virginia CCW in order to carry? I just got my VA DL. Any feedback would be appreciated. Also glad I found this forum, it reminds me allot of the Seattle Guns Network which was the best forum in the Northwest by far...anyways, Hi!

[ProShooter]

If you have a Virginia resident CHP, you can carry in Florida. Some people elect to get the Florida permit as well. I see many more students attending our Utah permit class than those who ask for the Florida training, and Utah's permit is much better all around.

Be careful if you do apply for Florida - there's alot of weekend warrior instructors out there telling folks that classroom only training will suffice for Florida. Get your info from a reputable source. Florida requires live fire if you are taking a gun safety type class.

[Chasbo00]

If you have a Virginia resident CHP, you can carry in Florida. Some people elect to get the Florida permit as well. I see many more students attending our Utah permit class than those who ask for the Florida training, and Utah's permit is much better all around.

Be careful if you do apply for Florida - there's alot of weekend warrior instructors out there telling folks that classroom only training will suffice for Florida. Get your info from a reputable source. Florida requires live fire if you are taking a gun safety type class.

In addition to the VA permit, the AZ non-resident permit is a good option. Can apply by mail and if you ave a VA permit, you already meet the AZ permit training requirements. Go to http://www.handgunlaw.us to see what states are covered by a non-resident permits from other states.

As to Florida permits, the training requirement can be met by some classroom only training. But, some training classes also require that the instructor attest that he/she has observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm. Oddly, this is not a requirement for state approved hunter education or safety courses.

(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 90.06.html

[Chasbo00]

The VA State Police website states that non-resident FL residents with a FL CCW license do not have CC rights in VA.

FL does not recognize non-resident permits from other states. However, VA does. If you have a FL permit, it's good in VA.

So a couple of questions.

As a VA resident do I have to get a CCW permit from VA?
Can I get a CCW license for FL only?

Thanks for the input.

There are six states that do not recognize non-resident permits from other states. They are clearly listed on the map here: www.handgunlaw.us

So, if you have a non-resident FL permit, it's good in VA, but not in CO, MI, NH and SC. A resident FL permit would be good in CO, MI, NH, and SC.

You don't have to get a VA permit in order to get a FL permit, but you need a VA permit if you are a VA resident and want to get Utah non-resident permit.

I think it's always a good idea to get a permit from the state you live in. Other state permits' utility is mainly defined by the additional states they cover beyond your state's permit that you may travel to.

[mrjam2jab]

In addition to the VA permit, the AZ non-resident permit is a good option. Can apply by mail and if you ave a VA permit, you already meet the AZ permit training requirements. Go to http://www.handgunlaw.us to see what states are covered by a non-resident permits from other states.

This. Since your VA permit is good in FL, you don't need a FL permit. Go with AZ as it is much cheaper for pretty much the same reciprocity.

[SeasonedRookie]

I'm still not seeing how one would discern between a resident and non resident Florida Permit. The Permit itself makes no statement as to whether or not it is a resident permit or non resident permit and makes no note of your address. I got the permit while I was a resident of Florida but it still does not mention that or my address. I had to do some live fire and get a certificate of basic pistol marksmanship from the NRA. My Washington state permit does have my address and the Sheriff's dept that issued it on my permit. My Florida permit had reciprocity there but once I established my Washington State residency I had to get a Washington CPL. So I was fine until I became an actual resident of Washington, ononce you become a resident they expect you to obtain a permit to carry. This is off point butt is confusing-Why do Washington and Virginia have an"agreement" but not facilitreciprocity? What does that mean and what good is it?
Sorry for the sidetrack there-Is this a similar situation here where once I establish residency i'm Virginia I will be expected to have a Virginia permit? As stayed above it is definitely always a good idea to have a permit issued by your homesithome state. I have obtained a Virginia drivers license but it is not 30 days old so I cannot purchase a handgun (our is out any firearm?) And I am unable to apply for a CCW here either ( it's 45 days before I can apply for one correct?) So my question for now is am I OK to carry at least until I am able to apply for a permit here and am not yet considered a VA resident even though I have aVA DL? I hour some of that made sense and any feedback would be appreciated.
Also the Florida permit was kind of a pain in the ass to obtain even when I did love there. All in all I believe I paid over $115 for it and I believe that was separate than the payment for the classes but I may be mixing that up. Out also room well over 6 months to obtain the presenclicense, at the time I was told out was a4 month backlog before they would even look at your papers. This was directly after the last election so people were applying in. droves in fear of some legal changes occurring; so I don't knows if it is always that bad or simply my timing but I do know only 1 department i'm Tallahassee Florida issues the permits so I could see it being pretty easy for them to become backed up. The Florida permit us a good one to have and I'm glad I have it. However it is expensive and i'm my experience a major pain in the ass. I would definitely go for a Utah permit or something besides a Florida permit it's I were truing to get an out of state permit. Thanks for reading this while thing if you made out through and are still awake, and again any feedback would be very much appreciatappreciated. SR.

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[SeasonedRookie]

Hi, sorry about the terrible typos and spelling in that last post, my text becomes hidden behind my keyboard on my cellphone after it reaches a certain length and the predictive text really jacks things up if I'm not watching for it. Felicireciprocity? Seriously? My bad. Hope it is still legible....SR

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[Chasbo00]

Florida law requires permit holders to notify of change of address. Also, permit information is available to law enforcement 7/24/365.

(7) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall maintain an automated listing of licenseholders and pertinent information, and such information shall be available online, upon request, at all times to all law enforcement agencies through the Florida Crime Information Center.
(8) Within 30 days after the changing of a permanent address, or within 30 days after having a license lost or destroyed, the licensee shall notify the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services of such change. Failure to notify the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services pursuant to the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 90.06.html

[SeasonedRookie]

Ok gotcha on that, I did notify the Florida Department of Licensing when I first moved here and I see that info is available online for the VA police, but I thought the OP was questing the validity of a Florida non residential permit. The Virginia law clearly states that it formally recognizes both resident and non resident permits from Florida. Florida doesn't recognize non resident Virginia permits. It also states that it will honor Washington permits, but Washington may not honor a Virginia permit. So I am fine to carry concealed. And as stated the OP would be fine with a Virginia permit in Florida since he is a Virginia resident. I'm sorry if I mixed up his question with mine, I really just wanted to make sure I can legally carry with my Florida permit for now which I can. I'll have to research the laws more thoroughly to make sure those are still recognized once I am officially a Virginia resident. I plan on applying as soon as I have had my VA DL long enough to apply, just making sure I'm OK in the meantime. I believe my question was different than the OP who wanted to get a Florida permit in liue of a Virginia permit. A Virginia permit would be the way to go...those classes also don't mention that the application fee is over $100 on top of the cost of the classes. Also aren't Virginia permit holders allowed to purchse 2 handguns every 30 days and residents without a permit only allowed 1? That would be another reason to start with a Virginia permit...

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[tursiops]

Also aren't Virginia permit holders allowed to purchse 2 handguns every 30 days and residents without a permit only allowed 1?

With a CHP it used to be unlimited. Now it is unlimited for all...starting Jul 1 I believe. So no extra points to a VA permit for that.