First of all Tea Parties go home at the end of the day and don't leave a mess. We don't ever occupy anywhere for an unreasonable amount of time. Additionally we are protesting things we can change--not things we can't. Which brings me to my next point.Kreutz wrote:Wait, how come its "non stop whining" when they do it, but "taking back America" when Tea partiers do it?
Both have wacky outfits, occasionally misspelled yet witty signs, a muddled message, and a foreboding awareness we've all been screwed royally for decades; why not just enjoy the show?
Protesting greed is about as useless as it gets. It is a part of human nature so you are going to have to work with it. There are always going to be rich and the poor. The poor are going to have to make terrible choices between rent and food. It does suck. Really bad. We were there too. Chris worked his tail end off to make sure we did not stay there. If they don't want to continue to be poor they are going to have to find a way to work too, protesting Wall street is not going to help anything.Kreutz wrote: Their message is (I think) more a protest against the exploitative greedy nature of capitalism. There really is no reason in this country people should have to choose between rent and food. I've been in that situation myself, and it really really sucks. When you are lucky enough to get overtime, it gets taxed to the point its not even worth it.
I don't think they are hippies--more like young and naive who were sold a bill of goods and are now angry that they were lied to.Kreutz wrote: Hate to break it to you, but those "dirty smelly hippies" are both yours and mine socioeconomic class; not the folks getting $12,000,000 bonuses for gutting our economy.
Come up with a new idea or product that has not been thought of and you could be there too! But I would pass on the new wife every year--that gets too complicated.Kreutz wrote: They're the 1% that have the lobbyists and politicians.....definitely not you or I. We're the 99% teeming masses that will never get the multi-million bonuses, the fifth house in Bali, millions in severance pay for running business into the ground, the jets, or the new wife every year.
Dislike on those signs. Especially the unbelievably ignorant one on Jesus. That one gets aKreutz wrote: Fight for your own kind; not them.
Some good signs I saw...
"I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one"
"You can never find a good left wing military coup when you need one"
"Obama is not a brown skinned anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare...you're thinking of Jesus"
"Jump you ****ers!"
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Public property.mamabearCali wrote:First of all Tea Parties go home at the end of the day and don't leave a mess. We don't ever occupy anywhere for an unreasonable amount of time. Additionally we are protesting things we can change--not things we can't. Which brings me to my next point.
Aye, that it won't, not directly. However, this has happened before; think of the underbelly of Victorian England that a few journalists (and one particularly enterprising Ripper) exposed to the light of day; social reforms did occur for the massive underclass that were swept under the rug.Protesting greed is about as useless as it gets. It is a part of human nature so you are going to have to work with it. There are always going to be rich and the poor. The poor are going to have to make terrible choices between rent and food. It does suck. Really bad. We were there too. Chris worked his tail end off to make sure we did not stay there. If they don't want to continue to be poor they are going to have to find a way to work too, protesting Wall street is not going to help anything.
Again i fail to see a difference between these guys and the TP; both lament a perceived future denied. Yet one is considered a grass roots movement (funded by rich Republicans) the other a mishmash of Communist radicals.I don't think they are hippies--more like young and naive who were sold a bill of goods and are now angry that they were lied to.
You have a very quaint idea of how the super rich get (and stay) that way. Only the tiniest of that tiny minority do that. Most are the spawn of other silver spoon types who got their foot in the door simply by being born to whom they were born too. Let me know when any CEO's son asks you "if you'd like to super-size for 39 cents"; not gonna happen.Come up with a new idea or product that has not been thought of and you could be there too!
How is that ignorant when its right? I can't recall Jesus asking lepers if they met their deductible, or suing Lazarus and taking his hovel for not paying for that services intensive resurrection.Dislike on those signs. Especially the unbelievably ignorant one on Jesus. That one gets a
Well I don't think it is amusing when anyone gets peppers sprayed. But you set aside my entire point that one BIG difference between the Tea parties this is that no one occupies any space for any amount of time longer than a few hours at a tea party and they don't make a mess and cause havoc.Kreutz wrote:
Public property.
Also, no one seems to inflict police brutality on the TP. It would be amusing to see the dude dressed as Ben Franklin pepper sprayed while penned in, no?
Hmmm I seem to remember that those journalists were highlighting the unbearable and dangerous work conditions and the plight of children. As for 400 people owning 50% of the wealth being untenable--been that way since time began--is that way in communist countries where they are supposed to *share the wealth. Thinking you are going to change that by fouling up a park is incredibly naive.Aye, that it won't, not directly. However, this has happened before; think of the underbelly of Victorian England that a few journalists (and one particularly enterprising Ripper) exposed to the light of day; social reforms did occur for the massive underclass that were swept under the rug.
We're actually at an even worse level of income disparity. 400 people here own 50% of the wealth. Thats untenable.
I have been to several Tea parties--no one paid me to come. I know people who have run Tea Parties--no one pays them to do that. In fact a bunch of them have forked out lots of personal cash to make it happen. As for these guys--I don't know if they are being paid, but they are taking weeks off of work/looking for work to do absolutely nothing so I wonder about that.
Again i fail to see a difference between these guys and the TP; both lament a perceived future denied. Yet one is considered a grass roots movement (funded by rich Republicans) the other a mishmash of Communist radicals.
So it has been throughout human history--those born to high status parents have an advantage. Not going to change that anytime soon. Whining about it does not help, and yes people do make it big with innovation. There are 1000's probably 1,000,000's of success stories around to show that.You have a very quaint idea of how the super rich get (and stay) that way. Only the tiniest of that tiny minority do that. Most are the spawn of other silver spoon types who got their foot in the door simply by being born to whom they were born too. Let me know when any CEO's son asks you "if you'd like to super-size for 39 cents"; not gonna happen.
Jesus is God--he can heal whomsoever he wants to. He chose to give of himself, he did not force others to give free care.How is that ignorant when its right? I can't recall Jesus asking lepers if they met their deductible, or suing Lazarus and taking his hovel for not paying for that services intensive resurrection.
On the communal care and not charging people--this was religion and not business. However he also told the disciples that when they went to a town they were to receive what they were given to them because "for the worker deserves his wages." In the early church's communal living no one was forced to give of themselves they did it out of love for one another--that is called charity, not socialism.On the contrary he demanded his apostles not charge when he gave them his gift to go out and do works as they have freely received, they must freely give (paraphrasing MT10:8). In the early church (around the time of Acts) it appears communal property was the way it was(Acts 2:44).
So you would like to think--but you are taking his comments and removing them from the whole of scripture. It was the heart of the people he was addressing and not the social system in place. Jesus also had very rich friends with generous hearts--you don't seem him berating them. In regards to the economic social systems of the early Christians we can look at this passagePlus there's the many many condemnations of the rich and greedy by Jesus, so yes, Jesus was definitely an anti-Capitalist.
What is this supposed to mean? Do you think I cheer when people get pepper sprayed. This is so rude I can't begin to type a response to this.Hell, if He was there, would you cheer when He got pepper-sprayed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mindflayer wrote:The press is focusing on the hippies. Yes, you know - the very same liberal press most right wing advocates whine about. Why, do you think? Because they are puppets of Wall Street and the very rich. "Wait, what?" you ask. "Are you saying the left wing and the right wing ruling 'elite' are really just part of the same oligopoly?" Welcome to the last 40 years.
The reality is that there are some very educated, very intelligent people protesting what Wall Street is doing to America. The reality is that Wall Street has taken over American industry. Wonder why corporations make cuts every quarter to "save money"? Wonder why CEOs that drive a company into the ground still get multi-million dollar payouts? Why did the financial "wizards" that ran this country into the ground, got a bailout funded by you and me, do not pay taxes, and still got huge bonuses (again, funded by you and me) at the end? Wonder why these are the same people that often advocate gun control?
I'm just going to be blunt. You all need to get off your left wing and right wing platforms that the talking heads have been presenting. Keep in mind all those talking heads spouting their drivel are being paid to entertain and to puppet the masses. You need to put aside the ideological bullshit and realize divide and conquer is in full effect.
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Oh, and http://mindflayer.net/2011/10/07/krugma ... t-matters/ - funny, I just read a good article.
I don't agree with the applause.OakRidgeStars wrote:
Do you think you can identify a person's heritage or scholarship status by the shade of their skin? I am white and went to school on a full scholarship for both my bachelor's and my master's. My son, who looks just like me but is Hispanic on his mother's side, was offered a full ride at Fordham and substantial scholarships at several other universities. Your implied assertion that white kids (or kids who appear to be white) can't get scholarships is simply wrong.Mindflayer wrote:I am also going to call bullshit on a scholarship to cover 90% of tuition. Those are white hands holding that paper.
I had full rides to several Universities; also had Academy appointments to USNA, USAFA, and USMA; ROTC scholarships from all branches. Lost them due to my vision. Reapp'd for the private scholarships the next year - "Sorry, we only offer programs for latinos and blacks; you're Asian and advantaged." Ditto for law school.wpoppert wrote:Do you think you can identify a person's heritage or scholarship status by the shade of their skin? I am white and went to school on a full scholarship for both my bachelor's and my master's. My son, who looks just like me but is Hispanic on his mother's side, was offered a full ride at Fordham and substantial scholarships at several other universities. Your implied assertion that white kids (or kids who appear to be white) can't get scholarships is simply wrong.Mindflayer wrote:I am also going to call bullshit on a scholarship to cover 90% of tuition. Those are white hands holding that paper.
I've been saying that for awhile now. Calling this a capitalistic system is nonsense; it's all heavily perverted. However, I didn't know any better until I took the time to educate myself by reading their works. There is much manipulation, corruption and fraud that goes on between Wall Street, the Federal Reserve and politicians/government. Wall Street/Fed monetize the debt so that politicians can keep spending (which gets them elected) and in return they get special exemptions and regulations to harm their competitors. That's why you have so many large corporations praising increased taxes and regulation...they know it won't be them, but their competitors who get the axe. Buffet is no fool, he will profit from the things he's peddling.Mindflayer wrote:Back to #OWS - don't fool yourselves. We don't live in a capitalist system any more. Thomas Jefferson, in his prescience, said: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Don't fall prey to believing the media spun from the corporations and the mindless puppets telling you that the system works.
