A-ha: "delay" status for VA State police background check

[Tweaker]

Go easy on our 250% tax proponent patron, Hot Carl! He is new after all. Kind of a ballsy and in your face 1st post, tho. Not an attractive combination in circumspect.

[Batty67]

Raise the fee to $5 and my "delayed"approval would go to <15 minutes on a weekday and an hour on weekend. Hell yes. II'd support that no question. I spoke with the State Police supervisor and they were swamped and working hard. So if raising the fee a few bucks gets more staff, and staff assigned on weekends to process the delayed applications, that would be money well-spent...

[Tweaker]

That is a big if, buddy. When has the .gov throwing $ at a problem resulted in improved results?

Post Office? nay

pubic schools? nay

stimulus? nay

Can anyone answer why this is even needed, or what purpose it serves? F' it. Bury it don't feed it!

[manisbad]

A criminal history report reads the same from all 50 states, showing arrest/judgment/conviction-release... It's not complicated, and I read them for my job.

As a matter of LAW, the things that prohibit someone from buying a firearm are listed in the 18.1 codes, and read fairly simple.

Answering your smarmy "On top of being allowed access to criminal histories etc.. that all employees there have to have an extensive background check to be allowed to do"

Um.. it's called PUBLIC RECORDS , and you don't need an "Extensive Background Check" to be allowed to do that... Viola! http://www.courts.state.va.us/main.htm

There's your "extensive background check". It's called the "internet", and what you are advocating is a TAX because BUREAUCRATS don't like the fact that CITIZENS are LICENSED, BONDED, AND WELL TRAINED!

So all 50 states criminal histories read the same, maybe since its your job you should know better. They are not all the same as far as reading them, and they dont look the same at all.
As for knowing all things that would prohibit someone from buying a firearm that is not something you read once and know it all. Maybe if you would contact someone that does it for a living and ask some questions rather than state you could do their job you would see and understand what the job requires.

Go easy on our 250% tax proponent patron, Hot Carl! He is new after all. Kind of a ballsy and in your face 1st post, tho. Not an attractive combination in circumspect.

Well it might be a 250% increase but in the last 20 years has anything remained the same price. While it might be my first post i have been wandering these forums for over 3 years.

Better idea!

Tell them to shut that BS down!

It is totally unnecessary and duplicative of the federal background check.

Welcome to VGOF! Also, you're idea stinks.

how is it duplicative. do you think the feds do a check and then VSP does an extra check and then a decision is made. The VSP were the first to do the checks and the feds have done nothing but copy them. The only difference is the feds are throwing money at their system hand over foot. Do you really want to give up a right that is goverened by your state and give it away to the feds to have complete control over.
Thats just what the current governemnt wants is to be able to control more.

Raise the fee to $5 and my "delayed"approval would go to <15 minutes on a weekday and an hour on weekend. Hell yes. II'd support that no question. I spoke with the State Police supervisor and they were swamped and working hard. So if raising the fee a few bucks gets more staff, and staff assigned on weekends to process the delayed applications, that would be money well-spent...

It would be money well spent heck your delay time would probally be cut to under an hour on weekends with no problem. Its the old addage you get what you pay for, you pay for 2 dollar service you get 2 dollar service. Some states charge upwards of 15 dollars for the same service.

[Tweaker]

I don't want to pay for something unnecessary. You just said the .fed copies the state. That is duplicate action defined.

Besides, I already have more than enough guns in the case that .fed attempts to preclude further purchases and some "activity" becomes a popular solution for tyranny...again.

[manisbad]

I don't want to pay for something unnecessary. You just said the .fed copies the state. That is duplicate action defined.

Besides, I already have more than enough guns in the case that .fed attempts to preclude further purchases and some "activity" becomes a popular solution for tyranny...again.

well as it stands now the feds do not have a hand in any gun purchases in the state of Va. its all done by the VSP. when i said the feds copied the VSP i was refering to how the feds copied the entire way of doing checks that was started by the VSP, even the online checking system. As long as there is a middle man between you and the feds on gun purchases id say thats a good thing.

[Reverenddel]

I had an entry, but then a phrase came to mind.

"Winning an argument on the internet is the same as winning the Special Olympics, even if you win? Yer still 'Special'."

Sorry we poor civilian peons don't measure up to your "superior" skill levels. Do you just feel "special" now?

Neither the time, nor the inclination, warrants me wasting time with "troll"!

[Diomed]

well as it stands now the feds do not have a hand in any gun purchases in the state of Va. its all done by the VSP. when i said the feds copied the VSP i was refering to how the feds copied the entire way of doing checks that was started by the VSP, even the online checking system. As long as there is a middle man between you and the feds on gun purchases id say thats a good thing.

Are you saying that if NICS goes down, the VFTP will still give a proceed?

[Yarddawg]

Somebody correct me if I am mistaken, but doesn't the Constitution state that my RIGHT to OWN and BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?

Seems to me that the background check(s) and paying for the check, IS an infringement!

[manisbad]

well as it stands now the feds do not have a hand in any gun purchases in the state of Va. its all done by the VSP. when i said the feds copied the VSP i was refering to how the feds copied the entire way of doing checks that was started by the VSP, even the online checking system. As long as there is a middle man between you and the feds on gun purchases id say thats a good thing.

Are you saying that if NICS goes down, the VFTP will still give a proceed?

No i did not say that. However as far as the state of Virginia is concerned NICS is nothing more than a computer data base. Meaning if the Fed Gov got shut down as long as the coomputer was still running Va would indeed be able to proceed. As for states that rely on NICS to do theri transaction they have actual Feds working their transactions.

Let me also add this if you get denied in Va you can appeal and usually the appeal is handled in less than 7 days, try call NICS and seeing how long the wait for an appeal is last i checked it was 154 dyas. I know most will say well i get approved so why worry well what happens when you have some dumba** that steals your id and gets arrested with you name and dob. When you get denied because your name appears on a record with a felony see how long it would take to get it cleared up.Va 7 days FEDS 6 months i know what i would pick.

[manisbad]

Somebody correct me if I am mistaken, but doesn't the Constitution state that my RIGHT to OWN and BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?

Seems to me that the background check(s) and paying for the check, IS an infringement!

so by infringed do you mean convicted felons and people with mental health problems as well as people convicted of domestic violence should still be able to bear arms.

[mk4]

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Are you saying that if NICS goes down, the VFTP will still give a proceed?

No i did not say that. However as far as the state of Virginia is concerned NICS is nothing more than a computer data base. Meaning if the Fed Gov got shut down as long as the coomputer was still running Va would indeed be able to proceed. As for states that rely on NICS to do theri transaction they have actual Feds working their transactions.

so...
1- does the va sp/va ftc have a copy of the fed nics db? and if so, how often do they get updates?
2- if not, are they/their systems making a real-time link to the fed nics?

if the former, i find it interesting that the fed allows dissemination of the underlying nics db records, considering it's going to have records from every lea and jurisdiction that feeds criminal records.
if the latter, how would a va proceed/delay/deny be available if the fed nics was 'down'?

just curious about how this all works.

[Batty67]

As I noted in my first post, and per discussion with VSP supervisor, a normal background check takes 30 seconds or so = pretty much an instant check. My problem, and others, is that my FN and LN combination, with DOB, are so common that the system/operator does not know exactly which person is applying, so it gets flagged as "delayed" to allow a little extra operator time to resolve who exactly is applying and then to do the quick check.

The issue is that given staff shortages and huge number of checks needed to be run on weekends (where there is always a large gunshow going on somewhere in VA) that those flagged for delay do not get assessed until after gunshow hours so they can continue to run the checks that do NOT get flagged, in the order received. That means the delayed (and that is such a flexible term) late in the evening when they even have less staff on-duty, Or, more likely, the delayed checks get processed first-thing the following morning when all-hands work to clear the delayed checks. So for me, this means I will purchase a gun on a weekday, or resign myself to the fact that I'm going to have to wait overnight for approval on a weekend.

[Yarddawg]

Somebody correct me if I am mistaken, but doesn't the Constitution state that my RIGHT to OWN and BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?

Seems to me that the background check(s) and paying for the check, IS an infringement!

so by infringed do you mean convicted felons and people with mental health problems as well as people convicted of domestic violence should still be able to bear arms.

Convicts who have served their time are supposed to have "paid their debt to society", have they not? If they have not, then obviously their incarceration was not long enough. Why would you think that it is fair (read just as in "justice") to continue to punish someone for the remainder of their life?