Nevada Ranch Standoff

[Excelsior]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/ ... ds-were-n/


Nevad rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.

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[SHMIV]

GF has been keeping up with this. She showed me a video clip of the confrontation that took place.

I haven't formed a solid opinion, yet.

My opinion hinges on who owns the land.

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[mamabearCali]

You know I don't care who owns the land. There is no need for all this. If he is in the wrong and owes grazing fees (the govt only legit argument) then put a lien on his land, cattle, and taxes. The stupid turtle is not native and the govt moved them there in the first place so I call BS on that.

Al Shapton owes millions in back taxes. I don't see snipers surrounding his place.

This stinks to high heaven and it smells like crony political $$. They want his land and have managed to run off every other rancher he is the last hold out.


This is BLM flexing its muscles and trying out toys when a non violent solution is easily available. I hate it.

They can't be bothered with intruders invading our borders but they are SOO worried about cows and tortoises. Baloney.

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[ShotgunBlast]

Everyone says they own the land. Even if the BLM did own the 600,000 acres, I find it hard to imagine why the federal government needs to own that quantity. Surely that land would do just fine under state management.

[mamabearCali]

They don't need to own it. Give it to the state, let them decide.

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[SHMIV]

Definitely, BLM and friends are behaving poorly. I'm just not sure if the rancher is, too.

I keep hearing snippets, mostly from GF, caught a little from a radio talk show, random news articles, etc. Some stated facts conflict with others.

Certainly, after watching the video of the confrontation, I find that I instinctively want to side with the rancher.

Round 2 sounds like it will be interesting.

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[Swampman]

The Fed has already proven they will open fire on citizens. Holder is probably taking cues from Janet Reno.

Mamabear is right, this whole thing stinks. It will end badly because of someone with an itchy finger. Doesn't matter who fires the first shot, it will be wrong and unnecessary.

[ShotgunBlast]

An interesting graphic showing the amount of federal land as a percentage of total state land. What a complete disconnect.

[Taggure]

And here we thought that Connecticut would have the second shot heard around the would it looks like it might be Nevada. I heard that a group of Oath Keepers were on their way to lend a hand. This will get real interesting real soon. the land owner say the state owns the land and will pay the state for the grazing rights but not the US government.

You here of nothing in the US news but the UK is carrying it with interviews and videos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... gents.html

[Taggure]

Live feed and interviews

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/11/i ... nkerville/

[FiremanBob]

This is a test case, deliberately provoked by the regime. They are testing the limits of Americans' willingness to stand up for their rights, and their neighbors'. They are also testing the loyalty of their "civilian defense force, just as well-funded as the military".

There will be more of these in the next two years.

[mamabearCali]

The rancher does not work for me. So his behavior is only if mild interest to me. BLM is a part of the federal govt which, in theory, works for we the people of which I am one of them. So I take an interest in how they behave, so far so out of line that if I were a supervisor I would fire or sanction the lot.

They have behave as a tyrannical regime does. It is disgusting. It's disturbing. It's unAmerican.

What can we do? I think first of all everyone who is participating in this needs to have to own it. That means we need ID on who is doing what from the big guy at the top to the stooge sitting in a truck. The should have to know that they will have to own what their actions create in their homes, and communities. No One sitting in a truck keeping people from the site should be able to go home and say "I don't know nuthin 'bout that".

Second we need to keep the nations eyes focused there. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Don't let them sweep it under the rug anymore.

I am sure others have good ideas too. Let's hear em.

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[Kreutz]

My admittedly limited understanding of this is water/grazing rights are a highly contentious issue out there, and this case is not black and white (i.e. the rancher is not wholly in the right, and the government is not either).

Ideally a suitable compromise will be worked out between all parties-including the ranchers neighbors.

[mamabearCali]

There are snipers surrounding the ranch Kruetz....does that sound like the gov't is willing to "negotiate"?

[Kreutz]

There are snipers surrounding the ranch Kruetz....does that sound like the gov't is willing to "negotiate"?

One-sided negotiations are still technically negotiations.

[WRW]

http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/c ... 032007.pdf

Reading that report, it appears to me that there have been attempts to transfer western lands to individual state control. The problem is as it always has been, in that once Federal control is established it is never relinquished. This is a case where the opportunity is presented to the voters of all states to stand together or fall individually.

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[HighExpert]

I blame all of us. For too long we have let the Feds gradually crawl into our lives, going outside their legally constituted duties, and we have let them. I think the one thing the extremism of this administration has accomplished is to wake up the populace to what is really going on. Use of the monument act to take complete control of gas and oil discoveries ( wild horse refuge), use of the EPA to control water, use of the BLM to control state owned public land, and the willingness to use armed force are all appalling. The federal government has to be reined in or we are on our way to either a totalitarian government or a general revolution. The Constitutional Congress may bring some hope. The stated reason for calling it is a Balanced Budget Amendment which could help, but they can go much further if they desire. We could use them to get our nation back on the right track, if they have the courage. I am hopeful but not sold yet.

[mamabearCali]

You know it has been a creeeping thing. Like buying a baby anaconda. First it is cute and no threat to anyone except a mouse. Then in the next generation the people have to be aware of it's moods and keep it properly fed in it's cage. Then in the next generation it is a danger to the family cat, but the family does not know what to do with it because it is getting too large to discipline effectively. Now it is a monster capable of lethal action against the children and even adults of the house.

A few generations ago the alphabet agencies prepared reports and collected fees. Now they are militarized, make law without the input of congress, and are willing to kill animals and harass and abuse citizens to enforce their way.

[dusterdude]

The nevada gov ought to call in the natl guard and run everybody out of there


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[mamabearCali]

It appears that the BLM is standing down. For the moment anyway. I don't think this is over in any manner. Just that the FEDS did not like the heat they were getting and Harry Reid's dirty deals were being outed in the civilian investigation.

Pretty scary stuff.