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In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:40:17

So I have been thinking. A dangerous thing I know. I am pretty certain (about 85%) that if America elects a person who is known to be a socialist, who cannot get the simplest of foreign policy straight, who has used the constitution for toilet paper at every turn, that we are done as a constitutional republic. Maybe not immediately, it may take a few years. But the cliff that we have been walking towards for the past 25+ will no longer be able to be avoided. The darkness will come, and there will be little we can do to avoid it. Right now I think we are at about a 50-50 shot of Obama being elected.

If Obama is elected (and realistically even if Romney is elected) I am thinking we (my husband and I) need to start thinking seriously and acting on--not just playing at--what we can do to help our family's odds in the coming night. What to do to help our families survive as a debt crisis flows down around our ears, medical assistance is gone (thank you Obamacare), personal freedoms are more and more curtailed, and our enemies are emboldened.

I am not wealthy enough to invest in precious metals. We live comfortably enough, but our extra $$ is often used for house repairs, maintenance, and such. What do yall think. Does the old adage Bread, Bullets, and butter the best way to go, maybe with a side does of medications and medical supplies?
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:52:15

Even in a natural disaster those things would be good to have on hand.

In the event of a Romney win, attempts to reign in the budget may piss off some people that have been undeservedly at the teat of entitlement for years. Civil unrest could ensue, but whether that's on a very short or very long time frame, I can't tell.

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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:53:27

Bread, Bullets, and butter would certainly be my FIRST priority. And if you live in or near a large city with a significant population that is dependent upon the guv'mint dole, I'd think about having a clear plan for how to get out and where to go. When the entitlements trough runs empty, I'd expect things to get ugly fast. People with no resources, no reserves, and no habits or skills of providing for themselves will just about have no choice but to take what they need from whoever has it. Even living out here in the far, forsaken boonies as I do, I'd worry about folks like that coming from the cities looking for what they need/want and intent upon taking it. Not a pretty thought, but probably all too inevitable.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:55:53

SpanishInquisition wrote:Toilet paper is pretty inexpensive... now.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You could maybe recycle those towels a certain group wear around their heads.......... :hysterical:
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:04:27

dorminWS wrote:Bread, Bullets, and butter would certainly be my FIRST priority. And if you live in or near a large city with a significant population that is dependent upon the guv'mint dole, I'd think about having a clear plan for how to get out and where to go. When the entitlements trough runs empty, I'd expect things to get ugly fast. People with no resources, no reserves, and no habits or skills of providing for themselves will just about have no choice but to take what they need from whoever has it. Even living out here in the far, forsaken boonies as I do, I'd worry about folks like that coming from the cities looking for what they need/want and intent upon taking it. Not a pretty thought, but probably all too inevitable.


Well let me ask yall....I live in Chesterfield on the edge of Amelia county. If you know where the Richmond Zoo is....well I am not far away. My husband and I have a vague notion of what we would do if we had to bug out, but we are discussing and trying to figure out how likely that is. As in should our preps focus on bugging out or bugging in, what do yall think.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:05:14

dorminWS wrote:
SpanishInquisition wrote:Toilet paper is pretty inexpensive... now.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You could maybe recycle those towels a certain group wear around their heads.......... :hysterical:



I like that, very nice. Or not so nice really.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:20:33

I believe it was Patrick Swayze that said "Be nice... until it's time to not be nice."
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:38:40

SpanishInquisition wrote:I believe it was Patrick Swayze that said "Be nice... until it's time to not be nice."



Precisely. My name is mamabear here. There is a reason for that. Black bears are generally decent creatures. They stick to the woods and look for berries, nuts, the occasional fish or small mammal to eat. However when threatened they are a force to be reckoned with. Don't mess with the mama bear cubs......she will not like that.

Now back to prepping. We are working on get home bags and such. We are actually with a little effort nearly done. Would I like more capability in each bag, sure, but the basics are covered.

Now we are looking to our home and our house hold supplies. Bread, bullets, and butter in various forms. I think I will keep my eyes out for informational books as well. The internet is great until it is gone.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby FiremanBob » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:45:04

Well, it's a little late to ask that question, but any further delay only makes things worse. In other situations of civil breakdown, such as Argentina and Weimar Germany, the critical assets were being able to feed yourself, get water, and protect yourself and your property. In Germany and Austria, people sold off priceless furniture, art, even real estate, for food and the Bavarian farmers held all the cards. In Athens right now, people who used to get nice government salaries and eat in restaurants every night are dumpster-diving for food. In Argentina, armed robbery by gangs and kidnapping were common problems.

That's why farmland prices are so high despite the housing collapse. You also want a protected underground source of water, a big generator with a large fuel supply, a few friends to create a 24/7 security capability, and LOTS of self-defense gear and supplies. The farther away from cities, and the farther away from main roads (Interstate and US routes), the better.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:55:29

@ MBC:

So you live roughly between Richmond and Petersburg, and close to 288, which is tied to I-64/I-95. I'm no expert on the geography or the socio-economic structure and strata in and around Richmond, but my WAG on that would be that's not a particularly healthy or secure place to be when the stores get empty and the dole runs dry in those two cities. How many bullets can you have?

Firemanbob's got the right idea. Buy you a farm in the country. If you can't swing that right now, I guess all you can do for the present is try to find an elderly farmer you can take one away from when there's no law anymore; I guess. Someone will - why not you? Now, ain't THAT a nasty, cold-blooded thought?
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:59:01

FiremanBob wrote:Well, it's a little late to ask that question, but any further delay only makes things worse. In other situations of civil breakdown, such as Argentina and Weimar Germany, the critical assets were being able to feed yourself, get water, and protect yourself and your property. In Germany and Austria, people sold off priceless furniture, art, even real estate, for food and the Bavarian farmers held all the cards. In Athens right now, people who used to get nice government salaries and eat in restaurants every night are dumpster-diving for food. In Argentina, armed robbery by gangs and kidnapping were common problems.

That's why farmland prices are so high despite the housing collapse. You also want a protected underground source of water, a big generator with a large fuel supply, a few friends to create a 24/7 security capability, and LOTS of self-defense gear and supplies. The farther away from cities, and the farther away from main roads (Interstate and US routes), the better.


Yeah I know I am late to the party. I wanted a nice farm house when we bought our home 4 years ago. I got stuck with a 1/4 acre lot. GRRRRR! I am still planting berry bushes and peach trees though. I am doing whatever I can do make this place produce the food I can under the circumstances I have.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby VACoastie » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:09:00

Here's my thing with bug in/bug out. Let's say your boat is sinking. Are you gonna jump out of it before its ever really sunk? I sure know Im not. Until the boat is sunk, it's my means of survival until plan b (open water) arises... Literally. It's safer and more stuff that I can rely on if it doesn't fully sink vice a lifejacket and a whistle.

Same concept for bug in/out. Stay in your house as long as possible. It offers the greatest things ever -a roof and 4 walle, it offers great shelter from the outside, and you are in YOUR territory. Only leave unless it's desperately needed.

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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:18:22

dorminWS wrote:@ MBC:

So you live roughly between Richmond and Petersburg, and close to 288, which is tied to I-64/I-95. I'm no expert on the geography or the socio-economic structure and strata in and around Richmond, but my WAG on that would be that's not a particularly healthy or secure place to be when the stores get empty and the dole runs dry in those two cities. How many bullets can you have?


I live about 5 miles off 288, down hull street, on the left. My concern is that I am about 10 or 12 miles from some really not so nice neighborhoods (as the crow flies that is)--takes me 25 minutes to drive to it. There are many neighborhoods between us and them, but I am afraid in a real bad situation it would just be a matter of time. The crowds burn this neighborhood, then that neighborhood, then yours. Problem is, my relatives are in VA beach, his relatives are in Long Island. Both are places I don't want to be when the SHTF. So to go west....we don't have family, but we do have friends. Many friends that live just a little further west into Amelia.

Now real far west....like say in TX, I have tons of family. Still I don't think we could make it that far.


We are kind of in an in between area....we are one of the last subdivisions before farmland (at the moment). It is possible that we are pretty far out for serious looting. It is also possible that the criminal elements would be desperate enough to continue on. Our neighbors are hunters and friendly. So there is a possibility of some cooperation.

On the other hand I think probably right now we have a couple hundred rounds.....not nearly enough I know. Maybe about 2 weeks of canned goods for 6 people. Water for 3 days for us. Not nearly good enough for even a small problem. I have some bleach around so if we could collect water from our roof we might be ok for a little bit.

I had been thinking of the smallish problems that could come up (like blizzards, hurricanes, and the small scale terrorist attack). That is why I have the get home bags and the 2 weeks supplies But if our president gets re-elected I am quite afraid that it will be the large scale things that we will face.


Sorry for rambling. Yall are helping me clarify what needs to be done next. The only way I know to fight fear is to take action.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:19:47

VACoastie wrote:Here's my thing with bug in/bug out. Let's say your boat is sinking. Are you gonna jump out of it before its ever really sunk? I sure know Im not. Until the boat is sunk, it's my means of survival until plan b (open water) arises... Literally. It's safer and more stuff that I can rely on if it doesn't fully sink vice a lifejacket and a whistle.

Same concept for bug in/out. Stay in your house as long as possible. It offers the greatest things ever -a roof and 4 walle, it offers great shelter from the outside, and you are in YOUR territory. Only leave unless it's desperately needed.

On a side notr of boats. Please have your lifejackets, flares, whistles up to code. If you have an EPIRBA, Please register it. I've solved 100's of EPIRB cases with registration data. I've wolved maybe 10 without them. If you don't know how to register your EPIRB, send me a message (or if your wonder wtf an epirb is).

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That is true...just trying to work things out in my head.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby VACoastie » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:25:32

Any action is better than none mamabear, at least you're askimg questions. Plenty people out there that want to do something but are afraid to ask for one reason or another.

Do you happen to know the topography of your area pretty well? If not, you could get a topo map and then you'll be able to eye out any resources that you might not even know are within 2 miles of where you live. If worse comes to worse and you bug out, have a preselected locale, get a map for that area. Get check it out for yourself, see the vegetation and resources it offers (within legal limits of no trespassing). I actually plan on buying a 20 acre lot out in the middle of BFE for that and yearly hunting purposes.

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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:54:29

We'd like to do that and may do it if everything tarries long enough. What I am concerned about is that things may come to a head quickly. So I think I must do what I can while I can. The topo map is an excellent idea. There is a large lake less than 1/4 mile away from us, the problem would be that everyone and their sister is aware of it. So I would be concerned to go there as it would seem to me to be a great place to get jumped. So if I can find an alternative lesser known creek, that would probably be best.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:02:14

This makes you think about just how fragile our society is.

A shutdown at one plant idles 10 more plants because they can’t get raw materials and/or components from or can’t sell their products to the one that shut down. Each of those 10 shutdowns causes 10 more shutdowns for the same reasons. And on it goes. Each factory that makes indispensible goods depends upon multiple other factories for the components and/or ingredients of its product(s). I know of a soft-drink producer right now that is paying a huge upcharge for CO2 (carbon dioxide gas) (that’s used to put the “fizz in the pop) because a fertilizer plant shut down. Sounds like a nonsequitur, but it is actually very connected. The fertilizer plant was burning natural gas to produce nitrogen-based fertilizer and the CO2 was a combustion by-product being captured and sold to various companies for various purposes. Now it must be trucked to those companies from a farther-off source and at greater expense because of decreased demand for fertilizer, which was caused by decreased demand for animal feed, which was caused by the selling off of hog and cattle herds due to increased costs of feed, which was caused by increased use of the grain crops to produce ethanol for fuel, which was caused by failure to exploit domestic oil supplies on government-controlled property.

You might debate (and Kreutz probably will) the specific causation at each step here; but the point is the interdependence of our industrial system. As things slow down and/or shut down, they disrupt other things – some of them crucial to people’s health and welfare. A few labor strikes in vital industries due to bad conditions and reduced purchasing power in an economy of scarcity could make things much worse very fast. In a few days at most shelves at grocery stores will start to go empty; and entitlements checks won’t arrive on time, and banks might stop keeping regular hours, and so forth and so on. Add a little civil disorder to that, and ……………….. and the time you should have bugged out to the country will have come and gone.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby ShotgunBlast » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:03:08

I know where you're at MBC. Anything 2+ miles from 288 and it starts getting rural fairly quickly, and the folks that live out that way don't seem like the roaming pack of dogs type if something bad happens. I have customers out that way so I'm near the Richmond Zoo every so often. If something bad does happen and you have to bug out I'd stay away from 288 and work your way west towards 460 since it gets even more rural, but I think based on your location bugging in and hunkering down might be the way to go.

Like others mentioned, water, food, shelter, and protection are your top concerns. Learning skills (especially if you can perform those skills without electricity) is a plus. Just remember that if something bad does happen (natural disaster, a localized event, or national event), the shelves at Walmart are wiped out in under 72 hours. Plan accordingly.


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby gunderwood » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:26:26

mamabearCali wrote:...that we are done as a constitutional republic.

What makes you think we still are one?
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:58:52

gunderwood wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:...that we are done as a constitutional republic.

What makes you think we still are one?


We have the facade of one and that is keeping rule of law right now in place. It is when that facade drops and we see what has been building for the last quarter century that I am truly fearful of. Sometimes, when the lights go out, they stay out for a long long time.
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