In case of Obama's re-election

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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:11:23

ShotgunBlast wrote:I know where you're at MBC. Anything 2+ miles from 288 and it starts getting rural fairly quickly, and the folks that live out that way don't seem like the roaming pack of dogs type if something bad happens. I have customers out that way so I'm near the Richmond Zoo every so often. If something bad does happen and you have to bug out I'd stay away from 288 and work your way west towards 460 since it gets even more rural, but I think based on your location bugging in and hunkering down might be the way to go.

Like others mentioned, water, food, shelter, and protection are your top concerns. Learning skills (especially if you can perform those skills without electricity) is a plus. Just remember that if something bad does happen (natural disaster, a localized event, or national event), the shelves at Walmart are wiped out in under 72 hours. Plan accordingly.


You know it is not the 72 hours that worries me. 72 hours later and I am am having a barbeque, eating candy bars and drinking sodas. It is the one month, then another, then another. Then a three headed monster of what used to be our proud country. What is worse, there is no one to rescue us. We are the last best hope for the world, we fall. That is it. Shut the curtains, go off stage left, lights out perhaps for another millenia as our country tears itself to pieces. Perhaps I am being melodramat, perhaps I need to :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil: , perhaps I need more sleep (kids tend to make mothers sleep deprived from time to time). I just see Greece and worse written all over us if we keep our current leader, and maybe even if we don't.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby dorminWS » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:17:18

Just for the sh!ts and the giggles, I did a Yahoo search on "constitutional republic" (even though I know what that means) more than anything to see what turned up.

Here's one of the first hits:

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.co ... cracy.html
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:29:02

dorminWS wrote:Just for the sh!ts and the giggles, I did a Yahoo search on "constitutional republic" (even though I know what that means) more than anything to see what turned up.

Here's one of the first hits:

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.co ... cracy.html



Five years ago I would have shrugged it off as crazy, ridiculous.....today I say pass the water filters and get us a few more pack of bullets.....heaven help us all. We have been had, if we are very very lucky there is still enough "american spirit" to fight this off, but seeing as people are willing to vote for a person because he "gave them a phone" I don't have a lot of hope.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby Kreutz » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:51:11

mamabearCali wrote:So I have been thinking. A dangerous thing I know. I am pretty certain (about 85%) that if America elects a person who is known to be a socialist, who cannot get the simplest of foreign policy straight, who has used the constitution for toilet paper at every turn, that we are done as a constitutional republic. Maybe not immediately, it may take a few years. But the cliff that we have been walking towards for the past 25+ will no longer be able to be avoided. The darkness will come, and there will be little we can do to avoid it. Right now I think we are at about a 50-50 shot of Obama being elected.

If Obama is elected (and realistically even if Romney is elected) I am thinking we (my husband and I) need to start thinking seriously and acting on--not just playing at--what we can do to help our family's odds in the coming night. What to do to help our families survive as a debt crisis flows down around our ears, medical assistance is gone (thank you Obamacare), personal freedoms are more and more curtailed, and our enemies are emboldened.

I am not wealthy enough to invest in precious metals. We live comfortably enough, but our extra $$ is often used for house repairs, maintenance, and such. What do yall think. Does the old adage Bread, Bullets, and butter the best way to go, maybe with a side does of medications and medical supplies?



Do what people did before the Federal reserve and the safety net existed; hold as little debt as possible, and don't get sick.


Also remember a federal collapse will hurt bad, but not be the end, in reality we'd eventually revert to something like the Articles of Confederation days and your taxes would go to Richmond, not DC. Rule of law will be shaken, but not broken.

Nature and politics abhor a vacuum after all.

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We could also then invade Maryland for their softshell crab sandwiches and beachfront property; as they are unarmed it will be easy pickings.


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby ShotgunBlast » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:57:54

mamabearCali wrote:You know it is not the 72 hours that worries me. 72 hours later and I am am having a barbeque, eating candy bars and drinking sodas. It is the one month, then another, then another.


I hear ya. I threw in the 72 hours because most people don't even plan that far (as you probably saw when the hurricane rolled through last year). Surviving the one month, then another, then another comes down to either stocking up on more food and water or generating those sources yourself (solar power, drilling a well, raising livestock, growing a garden, etc).

It's then do you realize that many localities want you depending on the system. Some localities you can't raise chickens or rabbits. Some localities you get fined or worse for having rain catchment systems. They don't want you to be self-reliant, but if the system goes down they'll be the first ones to say "you're on your own!"


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:04:24

I can't believe I am saying this but......Your mouth to God's ear Kruetz.......

I am pretty sure we can catch rain water. But we are not permitted even rabbits to raise for meat....How I HATE HOA's! Don't ever ever buy in one. I am thinking of getting a pellet gun....we do have bunch of hickory trees arounds here, that means squirrels. So I guess we could eat those if we had to. .....I guess if rain catchment systems became illegal (I am pretty sure they are not at this time in this local) then one could just happen to have a garbage can, that just happened to be positioned under a roof that amazingly got a lid put on it as soon as it was done raining then drug around a corner to be out of sight.

There are some things that you can pre-position and have if the time comes. A rain catchment system might be one of those things.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby Kreutz » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:22:21

mamabearCali wrote:I can't believe I am saying this but......Your mouth to God's ear Kruetz.......


We just have to mind Baltimore; they will shoot back.

i propose a starvation blockade, methinks since the EBT cards will have stopped working long before we get there their numbers will have thinned (and their survivors corresponingly fattened) it will break them quickly.


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:11:35

Kreutz wrote:...methinks since the EBT cards will have stopped working long before we get there their numbers will have thinned...



Well hell, there's your zombie popsaclypse (Thanks for that word, Mad Max!) right there.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:54:15

Mamabear, you might find this information useful:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZombieTactics
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby Reverenddel » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:03:19

In truth? The urban areas are going to be a DISASTER! Not so much the rioting (which there will be), or the looting (Yeah, saw if first hand with Hurricane Isabell in Carytown), but the fact that people will STAY, expecting to be "rescued"... like NOLA, and KATRINA! :roll:

Soooo glad 295 goes AROUND the city, and can get me to my parents house.

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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:02:38

My DH (Dear Husband) works in downtown Richmond. If you are driving along highway 76 and look off towards the big buildings he is in the one with the Dominion Logo on it. It worries me because he could easily be downtown if nonsense starts to break out and for him to get home he has to go over some rather rough areas beside the highway. Hopefully nothing that broad ranging will occur, but it could. Concerning for certain.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:30:41

Mamabear, seriously, look up Zombietactic's "prepping for the lazy, late, and cheap" series on them there youtoobz. There really is a wealth of information to be had there.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:42:45

will look it up
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby Reverenddel » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:06:20

I know that I have multiple "Bugout" spots, and I have friends that are preparing for the worst, and we're starting to OPENLY communicate more with each other, and how we'll COMMUNICATE if something bad happens.

Talking, and action are better than some of my co-workers who make the "oh you're just over reacting!"

Uh-huh... RIIIIGGGHHHTTT!!!!! :roll:

These are also the same people who lost their minds when the power went out for 2 days...

Picture 20 days...

or 200 days...

Or just never friggin' comin' on again.

My body, mind, and soul tell me SOMETHING is coming, I do NOT know what it is... but I'm doing WHAT I can, with WHAT I have, and KNOWLEDGE is better than NOTHING! I may not have EVERYTHING I will need, but with a sharp knife, Gorilla Duct Tape, and Paracord, I can do most things fairly well!


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby imaduckin » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:12:22

normally i dont express myself in these things, but you have to remember in a collapse of government, law enforcement, and social structure, the veneer of morals and love in the human race will revert to our basic animal needs. and all the bullets in the world will not save you if youre starving and dying of thirst. roads will become avenues of entrapment, houses will become desease infested pits from lack of sanitation. eventually 2/3s of mankind will die even with all their planning and survival attempts, from desease, infections from the simplest cut, and lack of basic medical care. think about it, would you have the guts to pull your own abcessed teeth, amputate a damaged limb, or dig out a bullet.


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby Sensai » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:53:43

Reverenddel wrote:My body, mind, and soul tell me SOMETHING is coming

That just about sums up my present feeling. I've been in combat several times, and the feeling that I have now is as strong as any I've ever felt. My instinct has never let me down when it comes to impending danger, and I trust that it is preparing me now. I think that there will be "civil (not very) unrest" no matter which way the election goes. I also believe that our new god, the internet, is going to leave us all high and dry. The consequences of a failed internet is total destruction of our new connected society. Without those magic little plastic cards, pin numbers and automatic funds transfers everything stops! The first fortnight will tell if there's hope or not. :dunno:


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby mamabearCali » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:04:50

imaduckin wrote:normally i dont express myself in these things, but you have to remember in a collapse of government, law enforcement, and social structure, the veneer of morals and love in the human race will revert to our basic animal needs. and all the bullets in the world will not save you if youre starving and dying of thirst. roads will become avenues of entrapment, houses will become desease infested pits from lack of sanitation. eventually 2/3s of mankind will die even with all their planning and survival attempts, from desease, infections from the simplest cut, and lack of basic medical care. think about it, would you have the guts to pull your own abcessed teeth, amputate a damaged limb, or dig out a bullet.


People lived and even enjoyed life 200 years ago without all those modern conveniences. Get some knowledge and perhaps you wont have to do all those things with nothing but your fingers. Have a plan for sanitation, that will increase your odds that your house will not become disease infestested.....that is easily accomplished by digging a three foot hole and constructing an outhouse. Know how to wash clothes with a camp washer..find out now....Know what plants are good for wounds...I bet some of them are in your back yard. Know what you will do to collect water...not saying you have to do it now, just have things in place. Get what you can while you can and hope and pray for the best. Do what you can to increase you and your families odds of survival. Can you cover everything, no of course not, but something is better than nothing.

I should add try to get as many survival things in print as you can, if something drastic should happen....you will want that information available to you.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby imaduckin » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:48:10

not trying to argue , just having a conversation mama bear, but that was a generation that knew nothing else . 200 years ago we survived on less and were lucky to live to be 45. have you looked around at the people in society today, my own wife said she aint goin to eat no animal shes met. back then the wife killed and prepared meals, most people now dont want to face the fact that steak they are eating was a live cow. as a hunter and outdoorsman i will eat most anything and i have a fridg full of food. in a shtf situation most will be driven from their homes by looters and evil people. from your username im assuming you live in california,(edit i see youre not in cali but still pose the question) and ive been to california in my younger years. if you were driven out of your home on foot into the desert, do you really feel you could survive a trek across that desert to say arizona carrying just what you could carry. even in the best of enviroments such as the east coast where theres water everywhere most people would not know how to make safe water. and most could not survive even in a game rich area. its been proven that some would starve before they ate protien rich insects or lizards and snakes. all im saying is most of the people would not survive past the learning stage to even feed themselves, much less survive injurys.


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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby SpanishInquisition » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:50:31

imaduckin wrote:...all im saying is most of the people would not survive past the learning stage to even feed themselves, much less survive injurys.



I don't believe the majority of this forum's users would fall into your "most of the people" category. Further, there are groups of people that now do for recreation things that were livelyhoods or essential skills in a pre-electric society. I'm a member of one such group, and there are several rally points where their skills and mutual support could begin to rebuild a society if it were a total EOTWAWKI scenario.
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Re: In case of Obama's re-election

Postby imaduckin » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:41:05

SpanishInquisition wrote:
imaduckin wrote:...all im saying is most of the people would not survive past the learning stage to even feed themselves, much less survive injurys.



I don't believe the majority of this forum's users would fall into your "most of the people" category. Further, there are groups of people that now do for recreation things that were livelyhoods or essential skills in a pre-electric society. I'm a member of one such group, and there are several rally points where their skills and mutual support could begin to rebuild a society if it were a total EOTWAWKI scenario.

wasnt especially lumping this group together as its a drop in the bucket, was talking total population, like i said not trying to argue , just stating an opinion


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