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Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby guitarpicva » Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:26

Has anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W (rifle w/20 inch barrel)? Looks interesting for short-range hunting of deer and similarly sized game.
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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby Username » Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:30:43

Something to think about ...

.460 ammo is $$$$$$

.45-70 is cheaper, and more available

Forget a synthetic stock, you'll break it. Walnut's the ticket.

Unless you're reloading and never lose brass, I don't see you getting your money's worth out of a .460, although you can shoot .45 Colt and .454 Casull out of it...
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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby jdonovan » Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:17:13

The real question for you is how recoil sensitive are you?

25-300 grains at 1800+ FPS has lots of energy that has to go somewhere.

That said a .460 in the S&W platform is a bit of a handful. I see you have a encore 209x50 in your profile, so how about this comparison: When I look at ballistics, the 460 and my sabot muzzle loader (also a T/C encore 205x50) are in the same general bullet weight/velocity range. The ML takes longer (more barrel length) to get the velocity so I would imagine the 460 would be quite a bit sharper and less of a 'push' type recoil that I find on the ML's.

The nice plus to the 460 is you can use .454 casull and .45 long colt as well as the full power 460 loads. If you do go this way, a .460 barrel can be had for a few hundred bucks, and that is one of the joys of the T/C system.

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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby guitarpicva » Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:43:30

Yeah, the Katahdin barrel is only 20", so it would be lighter to carry than the 209x50 and still have better performance than firing it from a revolver or Encore pistol barrel. Having the nice FlexTech stock on the ProHunter is a plus. I don't have any recoil issues with the 209x50 and 100 grains of Blackhorn 209 behind a 240 or 250 grain Hornady XTP bullet/sabot combo. I have shot as many as 15 shots in a row, with no issues or flinching.

I guess the other thought is that if it worked out in the rifle, if I decided to migrate to handgun hunting, I could use the same ammo too.

I was just hoping someone had actually shot one of the animals to give me a report. That's a $350 experiment! :enlighten:
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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby guitarpicva » Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:48:29

Username wrote:Something to think about ...

.460 ammo is $$$$$$

.45-70 is cheaper, and more available

Forget a synthetic stock, you'll break it. Walnut's the ticket.

Unless you're reloading and never lose brass, I don't see you getting your money's worth out of a .460, although you can shoot .45 Colt and .454 Casull out of it...


The syn stock on my Pro Hunter is plenty sturdy with a 209x50 that barks pretty loud.

I wouldn't go into .460 without also reloading; actually for any caliber I would hunt with. This is for HUNTING, not for target play. I am looking for a good, reliable large-bore caliber that won't break my shoulder and won't weigh 10 lbs. I mean, hey! Not like that's a tall order or anything, right? :hysterical:
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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby jdonovan » Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:53:05

guitarpicva wrote:I wouldn't go into .460 without also reloading; actually for any caliber I would hunt with. This is for HUNTING, not for target play. I am looking for a good, reliable large-bore caliber that won't break my shoulder and won't weigh 10 lbs. I mean, hey! Not like that's a tall order or anything, right? :hysterical:


Ah now I know what you are looking for, and you are a reloader.

Then, the 460 is not too bad of a choice.

If you want even more versatility consider a 458 win mag. :)

I've got a 458 and using SR4759 and a 400gr bullet I can get them to loaf along at 1100fps with reasonable accuracy. If I put a full load of H322 I can run it up to 2100 FPS which is well above what the 460 can do.

From the sim's I've run H4227 and H110 look like very useful powders for the 460.

Have fun working up the loads and let us know how it goes.


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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby williecmo » Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:48:48

I have an Encore in 460 S&W and love it. It is lightweight with the 20" barrel and I can cover the holes with a quarter at 50 yards using 51.5 Grains of H110 and the Hornady 200 grain FTX bullets. It has the muzzle energy of a 300 Win Mag. I've nicknamed it "Thumper." The deer I've killed with the 460 dropped in their tracks. Will also shoot 454 Casull and 45 Long Colt. Also dropped a doe in its tracks with it at 75 yards using 454 Casull. 454 Casull is no slouch and has double the muzzle energy of a 44 Magnum. I put a stock mounted bullet carrier on it to carry my extra rounds. The only drawback I can find is recoil. It is stout in such a light weight package but that only matters at the bench. Will never notice it shooting a deer. I seldom have a shot further than 100 yards but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot further.


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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby guitarpicva » Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:08:55

Maybe I'll just bob the muzzleloader barrel down to 22" to lose some carry weight and lose the scope. I have yet to have a shot on deer over 40 yds.

I am now also considering a custom barrel in .357 Max. Bellm tightens 'em up pretty good for the Encore.
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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby Geo » Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:22:21

I just put one together. I had the Pro Hunter Encore in 50 ML and 30.06 configuration. With the 460 I added more weight. I put on the walnut thumb hole stock and forearm. I also mounted 1.5 X 22 Burris Fullfield scope which I've had for 25+ years. This has added 2lbs + to the total weight. I did this to reduce as much recoil as possible. I haven't had the chance to take it to the range yet..


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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby jdonovan » Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:10:32

as a follow up, I opted for the 45-70.

seems to have better options for my use anyway.

.458 rifle bullets, vs 451-455 pistol bullets offer a much wider selection of projectiles/weights.
I'm already setup to load 45 rifle ammo, so it provides me with reduced logistics to stock another projectile diameter.
The propellent types overlap well with other things I'm already loading.
The 45-70 equals the 460 for most of the lighter weight projectiles, and clearly exceeds when heavy projectiles are used.

I've got an order in with bellm right now for my 357 max barrel. Hopefully will be done spring time. A bit of a custom spin up, with a tighter than standard bore, no forcing cone (i.e. non-SAAMI spec), and threaded muzzle. Should be a very nice shooter. And be < 20" OAL with a can on it.

If you are in/near NoVA and want to put a few down range and get a feel for it before you put money into your own, let me know and it can be arranged.


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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby Geo » Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:44:02

The main reason I choose the 460 is I can shoot 45colt that I load for my 45 Ruger Bisley in the same barrel. I'm retired and don't want to add addition firearms at this point in life. I reload several calibers and I can load up the 45 Colt or load down the 460 if desired. I find reloading very relaxing and gives me the opportunity to research and try different options. I know some will advocate the 45-70 which is versatile but I can't shoot the 45 Colt in it.


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Re: Anyone tried an Encore Katahdin in .460 S&W?

Postby jdonovan » Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:46:22

for your setup, it sounds like the 460 makes more sense


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