Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Firearm carry laws should be federal

I don't agree with him on a federal CC license but I do agree that full reciprocity is desirable.

The comment by Jack Burton after the article is too funny for words.
It was obviously written tongue-in-cheek but I wonder how many people in Illinois will see the humor, the logic, or the point made.

I can't quote it easily without having to quote all of it so I will leave it to the reader to go read it for themselves. It's the second oldest comment.
http://napervillesun.suntimes.com/news/ ... deral.html

John Lott pointed out this effect in the first edition of "More Guns - Less Crime" and each of the following editions just verified it.

The fed should not have any part or control whatsoever about carrying a firearm... Once those assholes got control we would have hell to pay to ever get a break again,,,

Some might view this as a state’s rights issue, which it pretty much has been and perhaps should still be, but since the right to bear arms is a Second Amendment guarantee, it would seem to me that the Congress could solve the problem of the patchwork quilt of state laws on concealed carry by passing federal legislation

A bunch of overprivelidged adult crybaby children that can't get anything straight is the last group I want having anything to do with my carrying a concealed weapon.The state of IL has been under the thumb so long they need to clear the air once and for all and remove any and all the crappola that their backward politicians would impose on them..

it seems to me that the Constitution is already quite clear on the matter, "The right to own and bare arms shall not be infringed".

Carry permits are an infringement!

There are plenty of laws on the books already for those that abuse this right. The problem lies with enforcement of those laws.

Edit to add - This is post 800 for me! Look out DK, I'm coming for ya!

Yarddawg wrote:it seems to me that the Constitution is already quite clear on the matter, "The right to own and bare arms shall not be infringed".

Carry permits are an infringement!

There are plenty of laws on the books already for those that abuse this right. The problem lies with enforcement of those laws.

Edit to add - This is post 800 for me! Look out DK, I'm coming for ya!

Amen I agree! I really don't want congress to have anything to do with concealed carry. The screw up just about everything they get anywhere near. Right now if you don't like your states laws either work to change them or if you live in IL NY, NJ, or CA move!

mamabearCali wrote:

Yarddawg wrote:it seems to me that the Constitution is already quite clear on the matter, "The right to own and bare arms shall not be infringed".

Carry permits are an infringement!

There are plenty of laws on the books already for those that abuse this right. The problem lies with enforcement of those laws.

Edit to add - This is post 800 for me! Look out DK, I'm coming for ya!

Amen I agree! I really don't want congress to have anything to do with concealed carry. The screw up just about everything they get anywhere near. Right now if you don't like your states laws either work to change them or if you live in IL NY, NJ, or CA move!

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The last thing I want is other states whining about how they think our carry requirements are to weak and shouldn't apply to their state. The next thing they'll want to federal CCW with federal requirements(slower and more costly). But if they past that then all you commie states will band together have a big whine fest and get it repealed and no one will be able to carry.

The only way this would work is like drivers licenses, states set their own requirements in regards to age only but must otherwise respect an out of state pistol license.

Kreutz wrote:The only way this would work is like drivers licenses, states set their own requirements in regards to age only but must otherwise respect an out of state pistol license.

Yes, compacts between states would be best, which is basically what we have now with reciprocity agreements. Sure, it sucks that other states can get away with trampling the rights of their own citizens and every other state's citizens, but that would be the norm if we had a properly functioning constitutional republic.

Getting the feds involved is setting yourself up to get shivved in the back a few years down the road. Get the right clowns in Congress and hey presto, everybody's carry laws are like Maryland's, or New Jersey's, or Delaware's (where you have to put an ad in the local newspaper stating that you're applying for a permit - sound appealing?). Allowing the feds into anything is a recipe for bad things to happen.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Constitution was actually obeyed? Any and all laws that infringe on the right of law abidding citizens to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional, period! The only question is at what point do you lose that right. Proven criminal activity on your part should be the only thing that could cost you your right to keep and bear arms, not where you live within the various states. There I go dreaming again!

AlanM wrote:The comment by Jack Burton after the article is too funny for words.
It was obviously written tongue-in-cheek but I wonder how many people in Illinois will see the humor, the logic, or the point made.

Jack Burton's response was pure brilliance and, like you, I am wondering if his sense of humor is sailing over more than a few heads.

If someone even suggested to a reporter than he needed a permit before writing an article, he'd be screaming bloody murder. So why should be carrying a firearm be any different? The 2nd Amendment is a right, not a suggestion. Governments don't want us to have this right because its main reason is for protection from the government.
Our founding fathers were correct -- a large and too powerful federal government is the problem, not the solution.

I don't think the Fed or States should be involved. The right of the people...SHALL NOT be infringed! How much simpler can it be?!?

If you want to pass some BS legislation on the manufacture and selling of weapons under the commerce clause, so be it; but for any Congress to legislate the "bearing" of arms...when, where, how IS off limits!

The ONLY way we will EVER get any elected official, Federal or State, to obey the Constitution is to pass an amendment similar to FL regulation that holds the officials PERSONALLY liable and punishable by imprisonment for the infringement of the people's rights.

Think the prisons are overcrowded now?