Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Second Amendment under fire...from Republicans

Posted By Capitol Confidential
On May 26, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) has filed a simple amendment to the Patriot Act protecting the rights of Americans to lawfully carry a firearm. His Amendment would stop federal agencies from collecting gun records under the Patriot Act. The amendment preserves two provisions of current law that protects gun owner privacy from a Patriot Act exemption.

The Paul Amendment (SA 328) states in part "no provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act shall be construed to authorize access to firearms records in the possession of licensed under Chapter 44 of title 18 of the US Code." The purpose of the Amendment is to "clarify that the authority to obtain information under the US PATRIOT Act does not include the authority to obtain certain firearms records." Seems like a non-controversial clarification of the powers of the federal government with regard to the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

Read more at: http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfide ... publicans/

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

What part of that statement is so hard for those knuckle-dragging idjits to comprehend?

Oh wait. Never mind.

Too late unless he got it in there already...signed last night by "the one."

Wot in the blue F()K is wrong with the republican "leadership"?

This is too much. If they nominate Romney I'm definitely voting 3rd party now. What is the possible negative effect of protecting lawful gun owners?

Tweaker wrote:Wot in the blue F()K is wrong with the republican "leadership"?

I've been saying it for a while. They only talk pro-gun because it gets them votes. Most could care less and won't lift a finger to sponsor anything.

Just typical of politicians, regardless of party. I would rather tell my grandsons that I was piano player in a whore house than a politician. At least the former is honest work.

Chasbo00 wrote:Just typical of politicians, regardless of party. I would rather tell my grandsons that I was piano player in a whore house than a politician. At least the former is honest work.

Being an actual whore is still more honest that a politician...a whore only gets herself screwed, the politicians whoring gets us all screwed...and it never feels good.

Kreutz wrote:

Chasbo00 wrote:Just typical of politicians, regardless of party. I would rather tell my grandsons that I was piano player in a whore house than a politician. At least the former is honest work.

Being an actual whore is still more honest that a politician...a whore only gets herself screwed, the politicians whoring gets us all screwed...and it never feels good.

Very true! - Ben Dover

Sometimes the whore even gets kissed first!

wylde007 wrote:SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

What part of that statement is so hard for those knuckle-dragging idjits to comprehend?

Oh wait. Never mind.

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That part in the recent SCOTUS opinions that stated: "Reasonable gun regulations are permitted". Remember gun regulations of any kind are now within the purview of the Feds. 2nd A rights are not UNFETTERED!

Gat6

gatlingun6 wrote:

wylde007 wrote:SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

What part of that statement is so hard for those knuckle-dragging idjits to comprehend?

Oh wait. Never mind.

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That part in the recent SCOTUS opinions that stated: "Reasonable gun regulations are permitted". Remember gun regulations of any kind are now within the purview of the Feds. 2nd A rights are not UNFETTERED!

Gat6

SCROTUS can kiss me where the sun dont shine...now we have to hear twits discuss "reasonable gun control" and us knowing that the intent is to stretch "reasonable" until all the "control" is situated in one place and that ultimately means we the people will not be allowed to buy, own, build, carry, or touch a gun...

Well hell boys, they can have my guns when they pull them from my ......
Nevermind, they can't have them period! As for Repulican, democrap or liberalvegetarian, the 2A is a stand alone. And, apparently it is still standing alone. I send the NRA money to fight this crap right? Where the hell are they? Just saying.....

zephyp wrote:SCROTUS can kiss me where the sun dont shine...now we have to hear twits discuss "reasonable gun control" and us knowing that the intent is to stretch "reasonable" until all the "control" is situated in one place and that ultimately means we the people will not be allowed to buy, own, build, carry, or touch a gun...

+1

davasmith wrote:I send the NRA money to fight this crap right? Where the hell are they? Just saying.....

another +1, I am convinced that they are just a fund raising organization anymore. Send more money and watch us do nothing! I, for one, have watched them do nothing for long enough now. No more!

Yarddawg wrote:another +1, I am convinced that they are just a fund raising organization anymore. Send more money and watch us do nothing! I, for one, have watched them do nothing for long enough now. No more!

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1061

Wayne LaPierre isn’t just leading the obscene fight against common sense gun laws in this country– he’s making a killing off of it.

Most gun owners would be floored to know that the NRA Executive Vice-President makes $633,823 in salary, plus another $258,343 in benefits in 2004 (Gun Guys has obtained the NRA’s 990 form from 2004– to read it, click here). It is possible that his total compensation package from the NRA for 2005 exceeded $1 million (the 2005 tax reports are not yet available).

In fact, it takes more than 35,000 NRA membership renewals (at $25 a piece) just to cover LaPierre’s 2004 compensation package. 35,000 NRA memberships spent on one guy, all before a single freedom cruise sets sail.

I let my NRA waste of money...I mean, "membership" expire years ago, and I got some asinine form letter saying I personally killed the Second Amendement.

Seriously.

Membership entails constantly being harassed for more money...so no real loss.

CORRECT! THANK YOU!

I have a "Life" membership, and as I have ranted here before. Nothing irritates me MORE than the NRA laying claim to the hard efforts, and works by other pro-gun groups who LEAD the fight.

THE NRA IS A PAPER TIGER ASKING ME FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME!

Wayne LaPierre, and the rest of them need to GO! I say we try to elect REAL pro-gun leaders to the board.

Can we draft Phillip Van Cleave from the VCDL please? MAN! Could you picture PHILLIP as the NRA FIGUREHEAD!?!?

Schumer would drop a load in his pants when PVC smacks his arguments!

There are about four, or five BETTER guys for that position.

I paid for a life membership 5 years ago. I rarely get asked for $. How hard is it to ignore these few times or just say no, thanks?

I really am at a loss to understand the epic butthurtitude here.

How does WLP's compensation compare with other leaders of organizations? I'll wager it is anything but out of line.

I have on several occasions disagreed with the NRA's actions/positions. Nothing I have heard from you guys even makes me ponder hating the NRA.

"Nothing irritates me MORE than the NRA laying claim to the hard efforts, and works by other pro-gun groups who LEAD the fight."
That is truly crappy.

I get a whole ton more $ requests from GOA and SAF than I ever did from NRA. GOA has a great attitude, but I think they have about zero political power. SAF is a legal wrecking crew, and I will be giving them money before I ever do the NRA.

I just look at them for what they are NRA is for the District of Calamity turdbowl, and big picture spokespersoning. VCDL is for state issues, and much more effective at improving the freedoms in my daily life. SAF is for constitutional and judicial sheepdogging. Don't expect a group to do more than they are best at.

I also am experienced enough to understand that a huge national organization must be political (slippery and sometimes even appearing to do things at odds with the hard core membership's ideals) because the politics of the real world is not about being right or wrong, but about moving the football and also public relations. NRA is a lighting rod for all anti-freedom and traditional American values. I am not going to join the likes of the buttsniffs who are their real enemy (and all of ours) who would wish them to fail.

In fact, I would liken all of my dealings with the Distict of Calamity with going to dances in Jr and Sr. Highscruel.

If I wanted some female companionship I had to do things I didn't enjoy. I HATE dancing. I am an uber cracker and have as much rhythm as Obunghole does humility. I still got all pretified and went and asked chickysnacks to dance (also something I don't enjoy. Tweaker was an introvert and prefers them to come to me). I considered it a necessary evil or at least an unpleasant necessity.

That is how I view DC politics. The NRA is my go to honky dance move. It ain't pretty to look at, and I am not proud of it sometime (my dancing NEVER) but it serves a purpose.

Some who hate the NRA are like the kids who just stay at home and bitch about things, not participating in much but pud pullin'.

"Some who hate the NRA are like the kids who just stay at home and bitch about things, not participating in much but pud pullin'."

I agree about the SOME...

But I ain't the "SOME". I volunteer at events, go to the General Assembly, write my politicians, and letters to the editor, I am ACTIVE in my participation with gun rights...

What chaps my ass is when I know it's the VCDL, GOA, or SAF that did the work, and the NRA says in the Rifleman, "THE NRA DID X FOR YOUR GUN RIGHTS! Send money..."

Yeah, no... screw that. It's a tired record that the NRA plays over, and over again. They did it with Heller, they did it with the National Parks ruling, I could list them on, and on...

I just want SOME leadership! SOMEWHERE! BY SOMEONE! Fer Crissakes!

The NRA is a good "hitman" when someone wants to blame someone, but they haven't the backbone to say "WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!"

Tweaker got it right. The NRA has plenty of warts; but, it is the only outfit with a membership big enough to influence things on a national level. Despite my frustrations with the NRA I'll continue to support them. I would like to see a leadership change though - both LaPierre and Cox need to go. Also, a board of directors that has more than 70 members is too large to work properly. The organization needs restructuring as well as new leadership.

"Both LaPierre and Cox need to go. Also, a board of directors that has more than 70 members is too large to work properly. The organization needs restructuring as well as new leadership."

Agreed