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hey all-

I just got some new Circle 10, 45rd mags for my arsenal sgl 31.
So I figured I'd take some pictures and compare the size and weight of the 45rd mags vs a standard 30rd mag.

With out further ado:

Circle 21- 30 round mag.
empty. 7oz


Circle 21 w/ 30 rounds of Hornaday
1lb and 3 oz (19oz)


Circle 10 - 45 round mag
empty: 8 5/8 oz


Circle 10 with 45 rounds
1lb + 10 5/8 oz (27 oz)


Here's the rifle on the scale
8lbs 6 oz
w 30 rounder: 9lbs 9oz
w 45 rounder: 10 lbs+


Here's some pics comparing their sizes.






Now for some related stuff.
I've got a Midwest Industries Quadrail on there.
I like it for it's versatility. I might want to add a flashlight some day etc.
And it was $25 cheaper than an ultimak with 4 times as much tacticool real estate.

On top of that rides a trijicon reflex i bought from a member. The battery-less kind. no battery + AK = good.

You'll notice that it rides very high.
I'm trying to use a CQB type stance instead of a bladed one and I wear glasses, so a high red-dot is actually good for me personally. the downside is of course that I cannot co-witness my irons, kind of a philosophical problem for an AK.


Underneath is a Magpul AFG (gen 1?) I picked up from a member.
I'm not 100% sold on the AFG, but I don't think the old-school mag grab stance cuts it with a 10 lb gun.
The AFG also makes the weight easier to deal with.

I plan on adding a safety lever that's easier to manipulate.
Like the Lightning Lever:
http://www.coloradoshootingsports.com/a ... lever.html

I thought about an ACE stock and an Ergo grip. We'll see how that goes. I'm ok with the com-block length of pull for now.

Nice setup. So when is your new assault clip going to...you know...assault someone? I hear those things have a mind of their own.

Yes, that is Gen 1. The Gen 2 is slightly smaller. The Gen 2 exists mostly because of rails like DDs Omega which are actually oval in shape. The side rails don't stick out as much. That causes a problem mounting a Gen 1 AFG on the bottom and then something else on the side rail. Your last picture shows the part that would interferer.

Your red dot interferes with the thumb wrap around (it goes on top) that is commonly used with the AFG. Not that it doesn't work, but it might be less than optimal. On a really light gun (empty AR-15) the vertical grips are nice, but as the weight adds up (mag, ammo, toys) the AFG seems to work better IMHO.

I admit that the 45 round mags are a bit much.
But for the minimal weight/size increase the extra 15 rounds seem worth it.

Re: assault- I'm guessing that some day these uber-mag are going to get banned/dry up. So i'm considering them an investment that i can actually use for a while

Re: AFG- Yeah I can't do the thumb over the top death grip, but my thumb does rest in the groove between the left and top rail. point w/ thumb style.

When i win the lotto I want to build up an ultra-light/minimal AK-sbr/sidefolder and score some 20 round tanker mags.

librarian45 wrote:I admit that the 45 round mags are a bit much.

Um, no their not...I was being 100% sarcastic. Surefire makes 60/100 round mags for the AR, there are also drum mags. None of those things are a bit much or crazy, their cool.

More ammo means more fun.
Bill

Didn't see it mentioned, what rifle is that ?

arsenal SGL 31

Very cool! How's the rijicon reflex working indoors for you?

The Trij is great 'cept in super bright light the orange dot washes out.