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CNSNews.com) – Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment’s commandment that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In Maloney v. Cuomo, Sotomayor signed an opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that said the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.

The opinion said that the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms. As justification for this position, the opinion cited the 1886 Supreme Court case of Presser v. Illinois.

“It is settled law, however, that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on this right,” said the opinion. Quoting Presser, the court said, “it is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state.”

The Maloney v. Cuomo case involved James Maloney, who had been arrested for possessing a pair of nunchuks. New York law prohibits the possession of nunchuks, even though they are often used in martial arts training and demonstrations.

The meaning of the Second Amendment has rarely been addressed by the Supreme Court. But in the 2008 case of Heller v. District of Columbia, the high court said that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right of all Americans and that the Second Amendment guaranteed that right to everyone.

The Second Amendment, the Supreme Court ruled, “guarantee(s) the right of the individual to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it ‘shall not be infringed.’”

“There seems to us no doubt,” the Supreme Court said, “that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms.”

Sotomayor, however, said that even though the Heller decision held that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right--and therefore could not be justly denied to a law-abiding citizen by any government, federal, state or local--the Second Circuit was still bound by the 1886 case, because Heller only dealt indirectly with the issue before her court.

“And to the extent that Heller might be read to question the continuing validity of this principle, we must follow Presser because where, as here, a Supreme Court precedent has direct application in a case, yet appears to rest on reasons rejected in some other line of decisions, the Court of Appeals should follow the case which [it] directly controls.”

In its 2008 case, the Supreme Court’s took a different view of its own 1886 case, saying that Presser had no bearing on anything beyond a state’s ability to outlaw private militia groups.

“Presser said nothing about the Second Amendment’s meaning or scope, beyond the fact that it does not prevent the prohibition of private paramilitary organizations,” the court ruled. “This does not refute the individual-rights interpretation of the Amendment.”

The Second Amendment is the only part of the Bill of Rights that the Supreme Court has not specifically extended to the states through a process known as incorporation, which involves interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment to read that no state can deprive its citizens of federally guaranteed rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment reads, in part: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States … nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Sotomayor’s decision rejected the Fourteenth Amendment’s incorporation doctrine as far as Second Amendment was concerned, saying any legislation that could provide a “conceivable” reason would be upheld by her court.

“We will uphold legislation if we can identify some reasonably conceived state of facts that could provide a rational basis for the legislative action. Legislative acts that do not interfere with fundamental rights … carry with them a strong presumption of constitutionality,” the appeals court concluded. “The Fourteenth Amendment,” she wrote, “provides no relief.”

Sotomayor’s ruling ran to the left of even the reliably liberal San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in the April 2009 case Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment did, in fact, apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment, heavily citing the Supreme Court in Heller.

“We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition,” said the Ninth Circuit court of Appeals. “We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments.”

Gun Week Senior Editor Dave Workman told CNSNews.com that the Nordyke and Maloney decisions are at odds and the Supreme Court, possibly with a Justice Sotomayor, may soon sort them out.

“Whenever you have a conflict like this, you’re likely to have it end up before the Supreme Court so they can decide the issue. If the Second Amendment is incorporated into the states, it’s going to jeopardize thousands of local gun laws, and the people who supported those gun laws are just freaked about that.”

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Words fail me......

Although I cannot even pretend to be surprised.
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All I can do is sigh, and shake my head...

It's coming.
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NickFac wrote:All I can do is sigh, and shake my head...

It's coming.
I hear ya. One small thing to consider is that Satomayor is replacing Justice Souter who is also a liberal though not as far left and he did vote against the recent Heller case. Following this reasoning we might (emphasize might) assume that Satomayor will not be a tremendous upset to the court's view on our 2nd Amendment right. My worse fear is that she does not support our Constitution in general and has openly stated it needs to be rewritten. Not to mention also her view on the courts making policy and the "I can do it better than a white male" comment. Ugh!
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I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could believe that citizens rights recognized and protected by the Constitution could be arbitrarily taken away by a lower level of government. As citizens of the United States we have constitutional protection of 2A rights yet those rights can be infringed by the state we live in should it so desire?
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This is what happens when judges are allowed to have an agenda to go with their opinion. This might be the rallying point that pushes more states to separate themselves from the federal government's authority.
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OakRidgeStars wrote:...pushes more states to separate themselves from the federal government's authority.
My thoughts precisely. I believe around 30 states are currently "analyzing" the 10th Amendment. Its too bad California, Illinois, and New York are geographically dispersed. They would make a nice place to put a fence around once the good guys were out :whistle:
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Lock and load guys !! ,,,this is gonna be a rough ride and a long fight,,If she gets in Obama gets his wish on a couple fronts,Possible gun control,Favoritism for minorities, and from what little can be seen a pro choice judge for his agenda there,,,What is bugging me is the fact that there hasn't been one single Democrat speaking up at all,,Irregardless if its about the discrimination, 2nd Amendment, or whatever,,Will be very interesting to see where the pro gun? Democrats line up...I expect them to line up behind Obama like a bunch of ducklings following mama on the way to killing a country and based on that throw the bunch of us gun people under the bus in the name of his sick socialist agenda! , And as an after thought ,,Lets hope the Minnesota Supreme court rules that Al Franken (D)makes a better comedian than a Senator,,If that idiot wins the Dems have a super majority and cant lose no matter what they do/
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