Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

I was inquiring to a shop in Fredericksburg about what it took for an active duty member to purchase a rifle. The particular shop told me that I needed my military ID, Orders, and they also required proof of address. I asked if my orders were proof of residency and was told that they weren't that I needed a utility bill or other such acceptable document to prove residency. From my understanding of the state police website all I needed was my ID and orders. Heck even in Kalifornia that was all I needed for a rifle/shotgun. Is this correct or just an local store policy?

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The state police requirements are the minimum required by law. Many places will ask for more and can turn down any transaction at their discretion, even if you show them everything that they ask for.

I don't think it's too much to ask for a bill or other piece of mail with your current address indicating Virginia residency.

you could always tell them you live in the barracks...not sure what they would say to that.

skeeterss0 wrote:you could always tell them you live in the barracks...not sure what they would say to that.

Hmmm that's almost certainly not Virginia proper.

Maybe you can educate this dealer, or take your business to another place where they follow the law regarding firearm sales in VA without amending it with their own rules.

From the VA State Police site:

"Military Personnel

Active military personnel permanently stationed in Virginia are treated as Virginia residents for the purchase of a handgun. Identification and residency are established by the following:

A military photo-identification card issued by the United States Department of Defense and proof that Virginia is the permanent duty station via current military assignment orders is acceptable identification and residency documentation to establish military personnel as residents of Virginia."

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_VFTP.shtm

Is a private party sale also good to go for a service member?

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rromeo wrote:Is a private party sale also good to go for a service member?

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Legal for an FFL transfer would be legal for a private sale. The same requirements exist for each except for the background check through the VSP.

rromeo wrote:Is a private party sale also good to go for a service member?

It most certainly is, as long as the service member qualifies as a VA resident for the purposes of firearms transfers. So if you've got your military ID and your orders, you're good to go. And it doggone well better be, too, especially for those who've got the chutzpah to sign that dotted line. That shop that told you "no, not good enough" doesn't deserve your business.

CowboyT wrote:

rromeo wrote:Is a private party sale also good to go for a service member?

It most certainly is, as long as the service member qualifies as a VA resident for the purposes of firearms transfers. So if you've got your military ID and your orders, you're good to go. And it doggone well better be, too, especially for those who've got the chutzpah to sign that dotted line. That shop that told you "no, not good enough" doesn't deserve your business.

quoted for truth. i just got my pistol with a copy of orders and ID. the only time you'd need a bill or something is if you were TDY to Virginia for X amount of days as far as i know

allingeneral wrote:Legal for an FFL transfer would be legal for a private sale.

Of course that's not always the case...

Okay. I would not think anything about selling to active military, but I wanted to make sure.

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Diomed wrote:

allingeneral wrote:Legal for an FFL transfer would be legal for a private sale.

Of course that's not always the case...

Example?

allingeneral wrote:

Diomed wrote:

allingeneral wrote:Legal for an FFL transfer would be legal for a private sale.

Of course that's not always the case...

Example?

A FFL can transfer a long gun to a non-resident person. Private seller can't.

got a cell phone bill?

kanata67 wrote:got a cell phone bill?

Cell phone bills are generally excluded from the list of traditional utility bills used to declare residency.