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buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:09:22
by Connor34
What is the age that you can buy a pistol from an individual in the state of Virginia? I know that you have to be 21 to buy from a licensed individual, but how about somehow selling a gun from their personal collection? thanks!
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:31:46
by gunderwood
18, but you need to be in the same state. If it needs to go through an FFL your SOL.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:02:23
by t33j
0yrs, but you can't possess it until age 18.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:05:58
by t33j
By the way, obtaining ammo can be just as difficult as obtaining a gun under 21. There is no such thing as straw purchase for ammo though.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:07:52
by Connor34
I think I can get ammo pretty easily but it's annoying when you ask the buyer if he'll sell to an 18 year old and they always say no.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:23:00
by Palladin
mebbe that's cuz he's the buyer...

Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:56:39
by Jakeiscrazy
Piggy backing off of this question, could a parent of legal guardian purchase it from a dealer and then legally sell it to you. Would that still be considered a straw purchase or would it be exempt because they are your parent and/or you are able to legally own it.
SN: I hate this stupid patchwork of laws.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:48:05
by t33j
Connor34 wrote:I think I can get ammo pretty easily but it's annoying when you ask the buyer if he'll sell to an 18 year old and they always say no.
Don't ask.
I purchased 5 handguns when I was 18-20. Showing up open carrying as usual might have helped...
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:14:53
by Connor34
Palladin wrote:mebbe that's cuz he's the buyer...

I'm just saying it's annoying when it happens over and over. I understand they are the buyer

Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:38:54
by Diomed
Jakeiscrazy wrote:Piggy backing off of this question, could a parent of legal guardian purchase it from a dealer and then legally sell it to you. Would that still be considered a straw purchase or would it be exempt because they are your parent and/or you are able to legally own it.
Buying to give as a gift is fine. Buying for resale, even to a family member, is not likely to pass the government sniff test. Of course, the odds they would find out unless you tell them (blab about it on the interwebs) are pretty much nil.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:36:39
by Yarddawg
Diomed wrote:Buying for resale, even to a family member, is not likely to pass the government sniff test.
Why is that? Unless you have reason to believe that the purchaser is not otherwise able to legally purchase the weapon, the gubmint doesn't really care.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:00:13
by zephyp
Yarddawg wrote:Diomed wrote:Buying for resale, even to a family member, is not likely to pass the government sniff test.
Why is that? Unless you have reason to believe that the purchaser is not otherwise able to legally purchase the weapon, the gubmint doesn't really care.
Yeah but still against the law I think...kinda like all the hoopla about making it illegal for people to use iPods or text while walking. Some LEO said it would never be enforced...ok then why does it need to be a law...if its a law then it can be enforced and will be sooner or later...
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:03:02
by gunderwood
Yarddawg wrote:Diomed wrote:Buying for resale, even to a family member, is not likely to pass the government sniff test.
Why is that? Unless you have reason to believe that the purchaser is not otherwise able to legally purchase the weapon, the gubmint doesn't really care.
Because in this example they are ineligible to buy the gun. To purchase from an FFL you must be 21 for a handgun, so technically they are prohibited, family member or not. Practically they just need a family member who has enough guns already and can afford to sell one or two off.
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:12:17
by Yarddawg
The under 21 part was not clear to me. I was under the impression that he was suggesting that a family member could not sell a weapon to another family member.
I'll wake up in a few minutes.

Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:36:24
by zephyp
Yarddawg wrote:The under 21 part was not clear to me. I was under the impression that he was suggesting that a family member could not sell a weapon to another family member.
I'll wake up in a few minutes.

I would also consider residency...not all families live in the same state...
Re: buying pistol - age question
Posted: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 02:44:50
by Diomed
Yarddawg wrote:Diomed wrote:Buying for resale, even to a family member, is not likely to pass the government sniff test.
Why is that? Unless you have reason to believe that the purchaser is not otherwise able to legally purchase the weapon, the gubmint doesn't really care.
Because any time you buy a firearm for someone else
and it isn't a gift, that is considered a straw purchase. If they are paying you for it or you are receiving some other sort of consideration for filling out the paperwork and taking possession of the firearm, then the transaction is not a gift, making it a straw buy. It does not matter if the ultimate recipient (the "actual buyer" on the 4473) is prohibited or not, buying on behalf of someone else is the crime.