Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

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Though, I will say that playing "army" seems to have gotten a lot safer these days. We used to use bb guns and bottle rockets.

Clowns like that get in those positions when parents Don't /Won;t pay attention..School boards like many other groups have taken advantage of that lack of attention and institute these nonsensical rules that only serve to alienate rather than discipline... Far too much of that grab ass going on in the schools...

Not just suspended, but expelled? And it never left his backpack? Overreaction. He's 7!

Awesome facepalm

Agreed. It used to be "Don't do that again. If you do it again, I'm going to make your father come see me and pick it up." You didn't do it again, because if your father had to go to the school for something like that, you were going to catch a whoopin' when you got home. Oh, wait, you can't beat your kids anymore? Oh. Well, nevermind, then.

Not cool of the school board. But worse has happened, sadly.

"He has been deprived of an education. My son made a mistake, and they kept him out a year,"

One could make the argument that he has been AFFORDED an education by being expelled. Now he is free to learn unfettered by government propaganda and agenda.

His parents should look upon this as a blessing, not a curse.

The more I see of these "zero tolerance" stances, the more I understand why some parents home-school their kids. I resisted that notion for years, but in light of too many crazy things like this....

chfaunce wrote:Agreed. It used to be "Don't do that again. If you do it again, I'm going to make your father come see me and pick it up." You didn't do it again, because if your father had to go to the school for something like that, you were going to catch a whoopin' when you got home. Oh, wait, you can't beat your kids anymore? Oh. Well, nevermind, then.

I was old school when I was in school the board of education had nothing to do with the school board. Just sayin

CowboyT wrote:The more I see of these "zero tolerance" stances, the more I understand why some parents home-school their kids. I resisted that notion for years, but in light of too many crazy things like this....

Being taught at home doesn't mean much. Someone can learn next to nothing in either place. However, if your parents care, that is much harder to do at home. Some people have known bad home schoolers and it leaves a negative impression. Generally, there are two groups. Those who do it because the really think they can do a better job (and nearly all of those do) and those who do it for other reasons. The second group often does it out of apathy, unlike the first group.

I think the only one worse than this one was when a kid was suspended for bringing an army man holding his weapon to school.

There's gotta be a better way. Common sense (which BTW is no longer common) should prevail.

Hey, rules are rules. The little twerp is lucky he's underage or he might get sent to the big house. People like this really think themselves to be above the law. Well, kudos to the school for protecting all of us...and WHAT ABOUT THE [other] CHILDREN!!!!

gunderwood wrote:

CowboyT wrote:The more I see of these "zero tolerance" stances, the more I understand why some parents home-school their kids. I resisted that notion for years, but in light of too many crazy things like this....

Being taught at home doesn't mean much. Someone can learn next to nothing in either place. However, if your parents care, that is much harder to do at home. Some people have known bad home schoolers and it leaves a negative impression. Generally, there are two groups. Those who do it because the really think they can do a better job (and nearly all of those do) and those who do it for other reasons. The second group often does it out of apathy, unlike the first group.

Agreed, you can get a bad education in either situation. It takes work to properly educate children. But these zero-tolerance policies that we're seeing in schools, that result in situations like in the article, are just over the top. Not saying I'm for or against homeschooling, only that I now understand one aspect of why some parents choose it. This school district acted Nazi-like.

BTW...where's the ACLU now?

Most home school kids I know are very intelligent . I had one guy work for me that didn't have a clue as to what went on the world. It was the very first job he ever had and I gave him a real world edumacation He said he did learned a new language working for me. He lasted a couple of months before i fired him.

DWinter wrote:There's gotta be a better way.

Yes, it's called "homeschool".

Or "private school" if you're strapped for time.

DWinter wrote:I think the only one worse than this one was when a kid was suspended for bringing an army man holding his weapon to school.

There's gotta be a better way. Common sense (which BTW is no longer common) should prevail.

Using "Common Sense"is the same as taking "responsibility." And NO ONE wants to do that anymore!

I don't agree with homeschool as the answer. The answer is FIX THE f*** SYSTEM. What happened to people using some common sense in dealing with problems? We've got cops using SWAT teams to follow up on traffic citations, we have kids getting expelled for having rifles depicted on their shirts, we have people kowtowing to the politically correct culture of soft racism.

Sure, if you want to homeschool your children, fine, that's your choice. However, as a taxpayer with no kids, I want to ensure my dollars go to make the education system work. I need to start paying more attention to the school board decisions.

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Mindflayer wrote:The answer is FIX THE f*** SYSTEM.

The system is the problem. It can't be fixed.

Mindflayer wrote:I don't agree with homeschool as the answer. The answer is FIX THE f*** SYSTEM. What happened to people using some common sense in dealing with problems? We've got cops using SWAT teams to follow up on traffic citations, we have kids getting expelled for having rifles depicted on their shirts, we have people kowtowing to the politically correct culture of soft racism.

Sure, if you want to homeschool your children, fine, that's your choice. However, as a taxpayer with no kids, I want to ensure my dollars go to make the education system work. I need to start paying more attention to the school board decisions.

I agree, we must fix the system but in the meantime parents must have a choice. I fortunately dont have children in schools but know enough to make me sick. My sister homeschools. Their neighborhood (actually a tiny community) shares responsibilities and skills. Even in Alabama the public school system is totally screwed up.

Bottom line with homeschooling is similar to a wrecked auto...you are forced to drive a rental sometimes at your own expense while your regular car gets fixed...

Edit: as a matter of fact I consider our public education system to be a primary cause for many of the problems in our country today, rampant MSM is another along with the ever popular notion of "entitlements." IMHO these three things are top of the list things that need fixed. Take care of those and other things will straighten out.

And yes I know many of you will say government is top of the list...NOT SO...until we raise up an educated generation of moral minded people the government will continue to run rampant...why...uneducated entitlement minded people continually elect and defend corrupt politicians...we cant really fix the government until the electorate gets fixed...

Diomed wrote:

Mindflayer wrote:The answer is FIX THE f*** SYSTEM.

The system is the problem. It can't be fixed.

+1

zephyp wrote:And yes I know many of you will say government is top of the list...NOT SO...until we raise up an educated generation of moral minded people the government will continue to run rampant...why...uneducated entitlement minded people continually elect and defend corrupt politicians...we cant really fix the government until the electorate gets fixed...

It is a conundrum. The education problem is also a government problem. Chicken and egg...