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Park Police Tell Students To Stop Singing National Anthem – At Lincoln Memorial

Another reason A whole lot of Federal Agencies need a reboot and reeducation to remember who pays their salaries . Things like this are more proof that PC or whatever the *&%$ they want to call it has gone too far..We got Chooie Obama telling us not to eat fat stuff, EPA trying to tax Carbon Dioxide, and a whole pile of regulatory garbage that needs to be round filed and at least show some form of common sense again.

Your Constitution - shredded one amendment at a time.

I down loaded the news article from fox and sent it to my co workers (mostly Oboma supporters) They all blame it on the overreaction of the park Police. Some people just don't get it no matter how many times you prove to them that comrade Obama and his czars and congress are out to destroy America as we know it. We have a very steep uphill battle in November.

If this is the case, then how the heck did the NRA get their upcoming big-shing-dig to be approved at the Lincoln Memorial? You know, the one this month with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin? How did that get OK'd?

CowboyT wrote:If this is the case, then how the heck did the NRA get their upcoming big-shing-dig to be approved at the Lincoln Memorial? You know, the one this month with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin? How did that get OK'd?

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graybeard321 wrote: We have a very steep uphill battle in November.

Threadjack: I'm not so sure. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Unless the Republicans completely blow their chances (which can't be ruled out), the hill might not be so steep - or not as steep as one might think. Last I heard, our Democrat-heavy Congressional approval rating was somewhere around 11%.

The challenge (nation-wide) I think is going to be getting people to drag themselves to the polls.

That too can work in the Repubs favor,,,there are some seriously PO"d people in the country that will go vote in November come hell or high water. This being a mid term and no culture hero running will keep a lot of the liberal vote at home watching the tube on election day.

VBshooter wrote:That too can work in the Repubs favor,,,there are some seriously PO"d people in the country that will go vote in November come hell or high water. This being a mid term and no culture hero running will keep a lot of the liberal vote at home watching the tube on election day.

I forget where I saw the article, but I somewhat recall reading that the difference in percentage of people that vote during a presidential election and a midterm election (or other not-Presidential election for that matter) is staggering. Far fewer people vote in mid-terms - something in the 30-40% range for midterms (for instance) versus over 70% for Presidential. So, I suppose it's not only a matter of who's voting, but what percentage of the population is voting. Note: those percentages may be a little off, but the difference is still pretty ridiculous.

@Everybody - folks, the bottom line is this...its too late to get upset about this one and a lot of others. It really ticks me too but if it is already a standing law then oh well. The outcry should have come long before this. Its kinda like we walk by the barn with the door hanging open and dont see horses running out and so all is well. But the moment we see horses running from the barn we start yelling, alert our buddies, and pitch tantrums. "Quick, close the door." We passed our chance to close the door long ago and the horsies are long gone. In addition, the well has been poisoned and roaches infest the house. Better to burn the whole place down and find new ground cause the barn done be empty...

Your right ,,I was thinking the same thing this morning that all the BS we are objecting to is mostly our doing. We all have sat by oblivious to things that have been going on either by disinterest or plain old apathy. We have the chance to get a restart coming in the next 2 elections .Still there isn;t anything wrong with trying to get an early start,, The loafers, do nothings, spongers and non producers will try to protect their little liberal fed paradise but we can outvote,outvoice and outdo them if we all just do what we all know how to do..Get off our asses, vote in the ones WE want,and hold them to the values and principles WE want. Produce the country we want! Work for it. The day of these damn politicians acting like royalty has to end and we can be the ones to end it. The last couple things I contacted Sccoby and Shaggy about they didn;teven haave the courtesy to respond...Being a one cause group is not going to be enough anymore,,Along with our gun rights we will need to address the scores of other garbage that has been allowed to occur and start dismantling it and return the US to the country it should be.

zephyp wrote:@Everybody - folks, the bottom line is this...its too late to get upset about this one and a lot of others. It really ticks me too but if it is already a standing law then oh well. The outcry should have come long before this. Its kinda like we walk by the barn with the door hanging open and dont see horses running out and so all is well. But the moment we see horses running from the barn we start yelling, alert our buddies, and pitch tantrums. "Quick, close the door." We passed our chance to close the door long ago and the horsies are long gone. In addition, the well has been poisoned and roaches infest the house. Better to burn the whole place down and find new ground cause the barn done be empty...

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zephyp wrote:@Everybody - folks, the bottom line is this...its too late to get upset about this one and a lot of others. It really ticks me too but if it is already a standing law then oh well. The outcry should have come long before this. Its kinda like we walk by the barn with the door hanging open and dont see horses running out and so all is well. But the moment we see horses running from the barn we start yelling, alert our buddies, and pitch tantrums. "Quick, close the door." We passed our chance to close the door long ago and the horsies are long gone. In addition, the well has been poisoned and roaches infest the house. Better to burn the whole place down and find new ground cause the barn done be empty...

Hmm...I'm having some trouble accepting that. That "barn" is our country, which still maintains the best framework in the world. It's all the rotted siding, add-ons, corroded window frames, and un-maintained flooring that is the problem. I do agree that We, The People, neglected to care for our "barn". But We, The People, can fix it.

I don't want us to "burn down" our country. I simply want a major renovation, keeping the basic structure. And that, we can, and must, do.

So, we're back that question I keep asking: what are we going to DO about it? I know what *I* am going to do, and that's vote accordingly. Will you all join me?

@Cowboy - we are saying the same things just in different terms. I'm not trying to create a metaphor that the country should be abandoned...no siree...but we do need to step up and do some major repairs after we put out the fire. And, I still contend that merely voting will not be enough. Thats how we got to where we are today. Once we get the major renovation done then we must stand guard and protect it...the point is we can no longer afford to just vote and then have no other recourse except to wait until its time to vote again.

Yes I realize we can speak out and protest but we've seen so many times over the last couple of years that is not always effective and for us has not been at all...

zephyp wrote:@Cowboy - we are saying the same things just in different terms. I'm not trying to create a metaphor that the country should be abandoned...no siree...but we do need to step up and do some major repairs after we put out the fire. And, I still contend that merely voting will not be enough. Thats how we got to where we are today. Once we get the major renovation done then we must stand guard and protect it...the point is we can no longer afford to just vote and then have no other recourse except to wait until its time to vote again.

Yes I realize we can speak out and protest but we've seen so many times over the last couple of years that is not always effective and for us has not been at all...

How do you change it or guard it when anyone who tries is labeled an extremist, a militia member, a dumb, ignorant redneck, anarchist, terrorist, <insert name here>? I'm being 100% serious. Stand up against the status quo, against the use of government to solve all problems (i.e. stand for liberty) and you will be labeled this way. If the average American just ignored it, it wouldn't work. However, try getting elected and truly be pro-gun (think Constitutional carry, state preemption, 10th amendment firearm freedom, etc.). You wouldn't make it out of the primary in one piece, which is why it is so hard to fix.

gunderwood wrote:

zephyp wrote:@Cowboy - we are saying the same things just in different terms. I'm not trying to create a metaphor that the country should be abandoned...no siree...but we do need to step up and do some major repairs after we put out the fire. And, I still contend that merely voting will not be enough. Thats how we got to where we are today. Once we get the major renovation done then we must stand guard and protect it...the point is we can no longer afford to just vote and then have no other recourse except to wait until its time to vote again.

Yes I realize we can speak out and protest but we've seen so many times over the last couple of years that is not always effective and for us has not been at all...

How do you change it or guard it when anyone who tries is labeled an extremist, a militia member, a dumb, ignorant redneck, anarchist, terrorist, <insert name here>? I'm being 100% serious. Stand up against the status quo, against the use of government to solve all problems (i.e. stand for liberty) and you will be labeled this way. If the average American just ignored it, it wouldn't work. However, try getting elected and truly be pro-gun (think Constitutional carry, state preemption, 10th amendment firearm freedom, etc.). You wouldn't make it out of the primary in one piece, which is why it is so hard to fix.

We MUST get ourselves away from thinking only in terms of pulling that lever every 2, 4, or 6 years. There have to be other ways - more effective and more immediate - for we the people to exert the power granted by the Constitution.

Repeal the 17th amendment to return Senators to being appointed by the states and push for recall legislation at the House level would IMHO be a good start, Will be a very hard nut to crack getting the royalty to give up their thrones but is definitely worth pursuing.

VBshooter wrote:Repeal the 17th amendment to return Senators to being appointed by the states and push for recall legislation at the House level would IMHO be a good start, Will be a very hard nut to crack getting the royalty to give up their thrones but is definitely worth pursuing.

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zephyp wrote:There have to be other ways - more effective and more immediate - for we the people to exert the power granted by the Constitution.

I'm not sure there's much other than lobbying (which, to be really effective, is simply bribery). The purpose of the Constitution was to ensure that the People didn't exert power directly, hence why they created a Republic with a lot of checks and cutouts to keep the people from having their way too easily and/or quickly. They made the (fatal) assumption that the voting class would continue to be made up of stakeholders in society who would make rational decisions.

Yes and now we the people are essentially powerless with the government holding all the power. I guess the allure to vote oneself money over freedom is much stronger...