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I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 19:00:34
by Mindflayer
Leak after leak, expose after expose of the corruption, the arrogance, the elitism, the racism, the hate of the Clintons, and it still looks like more than half the country is going to vote for her. Hell, even those not voting for her are still voting for her, based on the lawsuits coming out of Florida, and the warnings from other states. I don't often use the popular-among-gun-people-term, but it bears saying here: Sheep. The populace are sheep.
This two-party system has devolved into a one party system. Even the less politically inclined and less libertarian among family and friends are now fearing the oligarchy become concrete in the United States. If - and it looks like we very well will - we elect Hillary Clinton to office, it will cement the machine of corruption and decadence and elitism for our future. She will place judges into the Supreme Court to rubber stamp veto any challenges to the dictate of the Executive office, and the Legislative branch will cheerfully go along, as they are happy participants in this charade. We will become a de facto one branch government.
I know this sounds alarmist, but look at history. Look at the millennia of human history.
I leave you with Washington's farewell address:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 22:22:55
by GregVa
Yeah basically we are f-ed
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Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 23:05:29
by Reverenddel
Agreed.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 07:32:14
by Snakester
GregVa wrote:Yeah basically we are f-ed
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Exactly , my first thought !
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:40:50
by kelu
I have tried to warn you since my day 1 here. Vote now of shut up forever.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 14:24:47
by zykur
Alexander Tytler predicted where we'd be today. If you're not familiar with Tytler he was Scottish historian the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years
prior.
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply
cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A
democracy will continue to exist up until the time that
voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the
majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from
the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During
those 200 years, these nations always progressed through
the following sequence
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law,
St. Paul, Minnesota believes the United States is now
somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of
Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some
40 percent of the nation's population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.
The sad thing is the USA is on the verge of this becoming a democracy, when this happens it's over Charlie.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:03:14
by kelu
A very nice article related to this thread.
I admit that being a relative newcomer, I had no idea of the theory of these "turns". Now the book is in my Amazon cart. I hope I will find the time to read it soon.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-0 ... ing-part-2
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 10:13:52
by scott9050
And just like that, we are back.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 12:19:08
by kelu
Not really. We defeated one enemy, couple more left: RINOs, dems, corrupt justices, etc.
The battle just begin. They are now in shock, but expect a hard fight.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 13:06:07
by Reverenddel
kelu wrote:Not really. We defeated one enemy, couple more left: RINOs, dems, corrupt justices, etc.
The battle just begin. They are now in shock, but expect a hard fight.
They know they're facing an silent, but strong enemy... we were unnoticed at first, now they have seen what we can do... and in fear? They're gonna swing wildly.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:53:02
by Snakester
BUT , we made a "Right Turn " last night !
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 18:02:30
by kelu
Yes, we did a right turn, but to speak on forum language, we just stopped a full frontal attack, and now we have to go to a contra-attack, to recover the lost positions. We should take advantage of the momentum, while they are not regrouped yet.
In same time, we have to look around, they like to send spies, saboteurs, and to circle around and attack from the back.
Am I the only one feeling this way?
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 18:12:19
by Palladin
Nope. That was just the level 10 boss wave. We've got to get to level 50.
Way too much at stake for them to just roll over and give up. Stay frosty.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 18:31:07
by jdonovan
scott9050 wrote:And just like that, we are back.
not even close. There is MUCH work left to be done. This gave us some breathing space is all... remember not too many years back trump was a democratic supporter, so I'll wait to judge him on actions, not the bluster of the last year.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:58:30
by scott9050
jdonovan wrote:scott9050 wrote:And just like that, we are back.
not even close. There is MUCH work left to be done. This gave us some breathing space is all... remember not too many years back trump was a democratic supporter, so I'll wait to judge him on actions, not the bluster of the last year.
Yeah, we are close. A few days ago we had no hope and were facing a generation of despair with Hillary vowing Australian style confiscation and a Supreme Court tilt to get it done. Yes there is a lot of work to be done, but a major component just got put in place, and the Clinton dynasty is officially over. McConnell is the biggest roadblock now.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:39:22
by zykur
jdonovan wrote:scott9050 wrote:And just like that, we are back.
not even close. There is MUCH work left to be done. This gave us some breathing space is all... remember not too many years back trump was a democratic supporter, so I'll wait to judge him on actions, not the bluster of the last year.
+1,000!
I like to think Trump is better than Clinton but I worry that he doesn't have a moral compass and the first mass shooting or bad incident with a gun may change his views in the wrong direction (again).
We need to hold him and Congress accountable and demand the principals that they are supposed to stand for are not negotiable.
I'm glad Trump won but I'm going to be just as hard if not more on him than I would be on Democrats.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:54:41
by jdonovan
one of my major concerns, is the problems of the 2008 crash remain in the banking system, and the growing debt all look to be headed for a 'have to do something about it' point in the next 4 years.
and its going to hurt.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:36:38
by kelu
jdonovan wrote:one of my major concerns, is the problems of the 2008 crash remain in the banking system, and the growing debt all look to be headed for a 'have to do something about it' point in the next 4 years.
and its going to hurt.
A LOT!
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:57:14
by Reverenddel
The money issues worry me more than the firearms issues, and that says VOLUMES!
We gotta stop bleeding money folks. Right now? Other nations own us like we're crack ho's.
Re: I think we're headed down the road to a bad place
Posted: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 01:17:55
by Mindflayer
This is just another battle in this Culture War.
Look at all the stuff on social media about "Look at the hate Trump has spewed! People are getting called nasty names!"
Have you seen on any national channel the stories of white and yellow folks being beat to a pulp? Of stores being destroyed? NO.
We are in the midst of a Culture War for these United States, and trust me, overall we're losing. This is one battle - we have much much more fighting to do.