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Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:42:43
by dorminWS
I have posted this from another forum with the assent of the OP.

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Am I the only one who is thoroughly fed up this plagiarism accusation?
What Melania Trump said that she is accused of “plagiarizing” is basically this:
1. Work hard for what you want in life.
2. Make your word your bond; do what you say you’ll do and keep your promises.
3. Treat other people with respect.
4. Foster these values in your children.
Guess what? I heard those very same things in almost the same words at my father’s knee before either Barack or Michelle Obama were born, so my father clearly didn’t plagiarize Michelle’s speech.
So how did it come to pass that he told me those same things in nearly the same words? Because they are the ground rules for successful men and women; and there is NO doubt in my mind that any successful person (especially self-made ones) would tell you pretty much the same things. And chances are that the wording will be very similar because such sage advice does not admit of much poetic license.
So I personally find this shrill whining about plagiarism to be downright disgusting. First, these tenets of success are in the nature of fact. I don’t see how it is possible to plagiarize fact. Lord knows we have all said things that have been said before by others. What’s next? Is someone going to accuse me of plagiarism when I announce, “it’s lunchtime” because they just made the same declaration? Second, I have to say that an admonition to “work hard for what you want and make your word your bond” rings hollow when it comes from the Barack Obama given his track record as to how he got where he is and how well he has kept his promises. Mr. Trump, on the other hand, seems to have lived those tenets of success as he sought to impress them upon his family, just as my father did.
I guess we all have to expect some degree of hyperbole in politics, but this particular example is just plain ridiculous in my opinion.
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Melania Trump:
“From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect.
They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Michelle Obama:
"And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them.
"And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and to pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them."

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:23:44
by SHMIV
I've heard snippets of the whining. Since it IS whining, I have responded the same way my mother responded to my own whining, when I was a child; I have simply ignored it.

Reading both excerpts, I find nothing new in either of them. It's all basic "How to be successful" speech fodder, that I have heard so many times in the past, from so many different mouths. I can't imagine that there is anyone in this country, over the age of 30, that HASN'T heard it all said before. Well, at least not in the South or the Midwest, anyway.

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Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:38:42
by MarcSpaz
Mrs. Trump didn't write her own speech; therefore, she couldn't have plagiarized anything. And yes... I just ignore them too.

And for what its worth, Barry, Chewbacca and Hildabeast haven't had an original idea in their entire life. All they do is regurgitate Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin and Saul Alinsky. And that is only when the spigot of lies turns off for a second.

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:48:03
by wittmeba
My comments on another forum:

The strategies are all the same.

"Say the right think" regardless of whether you mean it or accomplish it or not.

It always sounds the same.

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:40:51
by Snakester
Does anyone think MO wrote her speech in 2008 ? Every thing she said had been said before . One thing I took away from Mrs. Trump's speech is I felt she spoke from her heart !

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:20:07
by Swampman
SHMIV wrote:I've heard snippets of the whining. Since it IS whining, I have responded the same way my mother responded to my own whining, when I was a child; I have simply ignored it.

Reading both excerpts, I find nothing new in either of them. It's all basic "How to be successful" speech fodder, that I have heard so many times in the past, from so many different mouths. I can't imagine that there is anyone in this country, over the age of 30, that HASN'T heard it all said before. Well, at least not in the South or the Midwest, anyway.

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Really? You're gonna smack down northerners for no damn good reason?

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:57:18
by SHMIV
Touchy, lol.

I'm not slamming anybody. I'm confident that plenty of folks from the north, the full-west, and under 30 have all heard those words, too. I never said otherwise.

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Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:14:18
by Swampman
Just a little. It's the political season. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:06:07
by OakRidgeStars
This week's RNC convention did little to change my mind about Trump/Pence. I still don't trust them.

Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:52:39
by mamabearCali
Never ever trust a politician.

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Re: Fed up with shrill whining about plagiarism by Melania Trump

Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:24:45
by Swampman
Mine either. And MBC is correct, they all lie.