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A unanimous decision from a court with liberals like Kagan and Sotomayor... Seriously? So, this just amounts to the Justice Department purposely ruining his career and keeping him from running for president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... story.html

I liked Bob, but he did something really stupid and shouldn't be in the POTUS or VP picture. With all of the disdain for government, truly good people running for office shouldn't want to give even a whiff of impropriety.

I'm glad this got overturned and that SCOTUS hammered prosecutors that they can't just tangle everyone up in the wide ambiguous net called "bribery".

No one is perfect... if we look for a possible candidate 99% beyond reproach, we will never have a candidate.

I don't think anyone is looking for perfection, but if we can't at least set the bar at "does not accept gifts totaling over $100k while in office" then we have a serious problem.

$100,000 ain't what it used to be.

I know that it is not PC, but the spouse would be a greater deterrent to securing my vote.

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Anyone who actually watched the case knew it was a partisan political prosecution. It was done precisely to keep him off the presidential stage.

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mamabearCali wrote:Anyone who actually watched the case knew it was a partisan political prosecution. It was done precisely to keep him off the presidential stage.

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It worked, and we paid for it to happen.

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WRW wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Anyone who actually watched the case knew it was a partisan political prosecution. It was done precisely to keep him off the presidential stage.

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It worked, and we paid for it to happen.

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Also was political theater to foment anti-republican sentiment and cement Virginia into the ranks of blue states to facilitate McAuliffe's rape of the Virginia Way and pave the path for him to be Hillary's handmaiden in 2016. Just goes to show how willing the progressive democrats are to abuse prosecutorial power to destroy their political enemies. It's not enough for them to win an election; they want to eradicate contrary opinions and police and control your very thoughts! It is what I would have expected from the Nazis or the Soviets, but it still shocks and frightens me to see it in this country. The progressives are already establishing a prototype totalitarian state. Unchecked, they will, in the name of knowing better than us what is best for us, expand it incrementally until the concepts of freedom and liberty in the United States of America are just cruel jokes.

I agree with Dorm - this "prosecution" was an integral part of the McAwful campaign, designed to smear the entire Republican party.

unfortunately, it works because people forget the good and count the bad twice. Damn shame.

dorminWS wrote: Also was political theater to foment anti-republican sentiment and cement Virginia into the ranks of blue states to facilitate McAuliffe's rape of the Virginia Way and pave the path for him to be Hillary's handmaiden in 2016. Just goes to show how willing the progressive democrats are to abuse prosecutorial power to destroy their political enemies. It's not enough for them to win an election; they want to eradicate contrary opinions and police and control your very thoughts! It is what I would have expected from the Nazis or the Soviets, but it still shocks and frightens me to see it in this country. The progressives are already establishing a prototype totalitarian state. Unchecked, they will, in the name of knowing better than us what is best for us, expand it incrementally until the concepts of freedom and liberty in the United States of America are just cruel jokes.

Dormin - Every time you take a few moments to write a thoughtful response like this, I'm amazed at your insight and wisdom. I see the same things you see, but find it a little more difficult to put those thoughts into words. Thanks!

I don't like McAullife and the democrats, but I think what McDonnell was very wrong. He had a guy throwing money at him and his wife while he was an elected official! I don't care how you spin it, that's just wrong. I'm a government employee and wouldn't consider accepting anything more than a cup of coffee while at a working meeting.

MarcSpaz wrote:No one is perfect... if we look for a possible candidate 99% beyond reproach, we will never have a candidate.

This wasn't like he got caught for a youthful indiscretion like underage drinking when he was 18 years old. It's not like someone gave him a commemorative coffee mug that was $2 over the $20 limit. He accepted major money and gifts while he was elected. Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

Whether or not he is ultimately convicted, he completely lost my support and vote.

trailrunner wrote: This wasn't like he got caught for a youthful indiscretion like underage drinking when he was 18 years old. It's not like someone gave him a commemorative coffee mug that was $2 over the $20 limit. He accepted major money and gifts while he was elected. Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

Whether or not he is ultimately convicted, he completely lost my support and vote.

If we use that as a model, every single politician that has lived in the last hundred years is a scoundrel that should be in prison. If not all of them, at least all top-tier State and Federal guys and gals.

I agree that the McDonnells' conduct was reprehensible. But I also agree that however ill-advised their conduct was, it was not illegal under Virginia law. I was never favorably impressed with him as a governor OR an Attorney General; even before the scandal. I always felt he was governed much more by political expedience and the elite inside-government crowd than was healthy for the Commonwealth, and was too subject to political pressure. I was particularly disappointed in his handling of the firing/rehiring of the UVa President a few years ago.

However, in spite of my low opinion of him, I feel some sympathy for him because it seemed to me that (1) He was a man of relatively modest means whose resources were inadequate to support the lifestyle at the Governor's mansion. I suspect there have been many other Governors of the Commonwealth who have been faced with similar circumstances who have been quietly subsidized without adverse publicity and without compromising the conduct of their official duties. (2) His wife apparently went overboard and out of control and instigated much of the more inappropriate episodes. All of us who have a spouse can appreciate what a difficult, no-win situation that must have been. (3) Then the poor sap became the target of politically-motivated abusive prosecution that finished wrecking his financial, professional and personal life. The people who orchestrated that prosecution are guilty of more reprehensible conduct, in my opinion, than either of the defendants.

If we accept that McDonnell is not guilty for getting gifts, then we can't say that Hillary is guilty for getting donations.
Let's clean the house.

kelu wrote:If we accept that McDonnell is not guilty for getting gifts, then we can't say that Hillary is guilty for getting donations.
Let's clean the house.

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Oh, he's guilty alright - just not of a crime.

Now you know why those places that confer degrees in Law aren't called JUSTICE schools.

I'd like to see the same standards in indicting applied to Hillary

MarcSpaz wrote:

trailrunner wrote: This wasn't like he got caught for a youthful indiscretion like underage drinking when he was 18 years old. It's not like someone gave him a commemorative coffee mug that was $2 over the $20 limit. He accepted major money and gifts while he was elected. Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

Whether or not he is ultimately convicted, he completely lost my support and vote.

If we use that as a model, every single politician that has lived in the last hundred years is a scoundrel that should be in prison. If not all of them, at least all top-tier State and Federal guys and gals.

I'm ok with that. I'm not about to excuse inexcusable actions just because "everyone does it".

Unfortunately, the moral majority doesn,t agree that it's been a problem or all those people would be in jail.

It doesn't matter how right you are or think you are, if no one or very few people agree, then you become the oddity. I only say this because I think you are in the moral minority and not enough people agree to have any impact... Hence the acquittals.