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I came across these videos showing vulnerabilities in some popular gun safes. https://vimeo.com/handgunsaferesearch/videos/sort:date

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Those videos are usually made by the folks selling gun safes.

All security measures can be defeated. In most residential burglaries a dope head is looking for something valuable he can grab and run to finance his next high.

Fort Knox can be defeated given the resources and time.

Common sense goes a long way with home security.
Never put a gun safe in the garage with the tools necessary to pound it open

My favorite rule is: If they can't find it they can't steal it.
It is possible to hide a safe.

I have 3 safes ranging from very basic to fairly expensive. I prioritize what goes in each one.


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It is true that you can't steal it if you don't know that it exists.

Given that, I'd lean more towards hidden compartments, than obvious locked boxes.

It's a similar principle to my father's observation in regard to a gated community; he observed that a gated community provided a false sense of security since you lived in a neighborhood that implied that you could afford stuff that was worth stealing. Having done work inside several gated communities, some of which was installing burglar alarms, I found myself looking for the weak spots in the overall security of the neighborhood. There were many.

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About any gun safe you buy at a Walmart, Lowe's, Tractor Supply, etc. is going to be made of no more than 10-gauge plate which, at .1345", is between 1/8th and 9/64s of an inch thick. Since the advent of all these hand-held power tools, any of them can be peeled open like a can of sardines with a drill and a jig saw in a matter of very few minutes. So they are not proof against any but the most casual theft; and any fireman will tell you they won't protect a gun in a house fire of any severity or duration at all. Further, if you're of the opinion that prudence dictates that you not give an insurance company a list of your firearms, that pretty much leaves you totally exposed to the risk of loss on your firearms. I suppose you can buy better gun safes. I also suppose you'd be talking about several thousands of dollars and perhaps more bulk and weight that many households and homeowners can accommodate; and for an indeterminant amount of extra protection.

So theft and fire avoidance is the best policy. I'm acquainted with a situation where a man has several Cannon and Liberty gun safes in which he keeps guns worth some several thousands of dollars. He just constructed a reinforced concrete vault with 6" walls and top and a $4,000 vault door alleged to be rated at 6,000 degrees, and put all those gun safes inside that vault. He placed the vault such that a structure fire is unlikely to affect it; and made its presence as inconspicuous as possible. Whenever the inevitable rubberneckers asked what he was building, he lied to them and put the word out that he was making a place to store flammable paints and other volatile stuff.

So, I agree with SHMIV; it's best to set things up so that the common thieves won't steal it except by accident. Won't hurt none with the government thieves, either; it just won't work as well.

dorminWS wrote:.....Further, if you're of the opinion that prudence dictates that you not give an insurance company a list of your firearms, that pretty much leaves you totally exposed to the risk of loss on your firearms....

Little research will lead you to a company that does not require serial numbers...

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dorminWS wrote:.....Further, if you're of the opinion that prudence dictates that you not give an insurance company a list of your firearms, that pretty much leaves you totally exposed to the risk of loss on your firearms....

Little research will lead you to a company that does not require serial numbers...

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Yes, but they'll still have a list of your guns. I've never understood, if there is a record that you own a certain gun of a certain description and value in the hands of a third party, what difference it makes whether they have the serial number or not. They can just record that when they come take it away from you.

If you're a current NRA member, then you have access to firearms insurance.

https://www.mynrainsurance.com/insuranc ... scare-plus