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I surely do like a pistol with a thumb safety.

My usual concealed carry holster is combination leather and kydex holster, but I still like a manual safety.

If I was going to carry a Glock, or XDM (and I have, till I found something better) I'd get one of those little kydex trigger guards that clip over the trigger guard and have a string that ties to the belt or soft/padded holster. When I got mine it was called a "Zach". It clips/snaps over the trigger guard and then you insert the pistol into the soft holster, or your pocket, or inside your belt, etc.

Like this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gunners-Custom- ... _MruTaNMVA

Nah, I won't say anything; done been told I don't know what I'm talking about on the subject of my opinion of "trigger paddle"-type "safeties".

Balled t-shirt pushing holster material far enough into the guard to deactivate the trigger safety and pull the trigger? Is that the theory? Really?

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Stay away from non-gun specific holsters like they are the devil. Also watch when you holster that nothing else is in the way like tails of shirts, tie cords from jackets, etc. Even with proper holsters crap being in the way of a reholstering can be dangerous.

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I wear an undershirt almost daily. I have had two occurrences in the last 4 or 5 years, where I was holstering my weapon and part of my undershirt was covering part of the opening of the holster. As I was sliding the gun into the holster, the undershirt got dragged into the holster with the weapon. Fortunately I caught it both times due to the "extra effort" needed, so I stopped pushing and checked the condition of the holster/weapon, looking for obstructions.

My guess would be that if he had a soft holster, the undershirt may have been wrapped up inside the holster and he didn't feel it because of the extra give in the fabric. As he started to bend over to get in the car, the shirt started to untuck from the back waste line and as it lifted out of the holster, it snagged the trigger.

Just a guess based on what I have done.

It is good to know that model specific holsters are a must for certain firearms. A pistol that can be discharged by something as innocuous as a tee shirt is not for me,

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@Dorm: Go on and say what you were going to say. I'm interested in your input.

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This is another reason that I like revolvers. The trigger pulls on all the D/A revolvers that I've fired were heavy enough that I don't see this sort of thing happening. And S/A revolvers, as long as you don't carry them cocked, it doesn't matter how hard that trigger is pulled.

This is also another reason that I like open carry. I don't recall a single instance that any piece of my clothing has ever ended up in my holster. Not saying it couldn't happen, mind you, just that it hasn't, and the nature of open carry limits the chance. At least, for me, it does.

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How did that holster get ripped 3/4 of the way up?
How the heck sharp is his front sight and how far did the slide move?

Looks like muzzle blast and hot cartridge ejection holes to me...with a thread running between the two giving the appearance of one continuous tear.

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SHMIV wrote:@Dorm: Go on and say what you were going to say. I'm interested in your input.

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Already said it on here several times. In my opinion, these "trigger-paddle" type so-called "safeties" are dangerous for a carry gun, and ain't safeties at all. A handgun (or any firearm) should have a positive safety like a thumb safety. Better yet, a combination of grip and thumb safety. That always offends at least some of the fans of Glocks and other similarly-operated pistols, and somebody usually takes the trouble to tell me I'm wrong. They'll never convince me any more than I'll ever convince them. There won't be any hard feelings on my part, but I'll try not to sit close to them when they're carrying.

dorminWS wrote:In my opinion, these "trigger-paddle" type so-called "safeties" are dangerous for a carry gun, and ain't safeties at all. A handgun (or any firearm) should have a positive safety like a thumb safety.

When I was young, I asked my father why all the house guns were DA revolvers. He told me that, in his opinion, that self-defense guns shouldn't have twitchy triggers. If the gun went off he wanted it be because he pulled the trigger and meant to pull the trigger, not by accident. Never had a good argument against that logic.

I'm also trying to figure out how he was wearing the holster?!? It is a right-handed holster and he managed to shoot nearly straight down his left cheek! Seems either he was wearing about 5:30-6:00, or it managed to get snagged and yanked around quite a bit.

Based on the injury and holster, he was likely carrying SMB and as his shirt lifted and pulled the trigger, it was also lifting the gun up and out of the holster. As the muzzle moves away from the bottom of the holster, the muzzle blast damage can be significant... assuming the pistol stays in the holster enough to block, at least, some of the escaping gasses.

I bet he's really glad he wasn't appendix carrying. We would have to start calling him Maddy instead of Matt.

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.... A handgun (or any firearm) should have a positive safety like a thumb safety. Better yet, a combination of grip and thumb safety. That always offends at least some of the fans of Glocks and other similarly-operated pistols, and somebody usually takes the trouble to tell me I'm wrong....


You are not wrong.
It takes a smart person to recognize the fact they are a danger to themselves and others unless they have multiple safeties on their gun.

Maybe carrying it unloaded or at least with nothing in the chamber would be even safer.

While some people can benefit from training but there seems to be a lot of untrainable people out there.

However, I would prefer you to think, some people, but not everyone, needs 4 or more safeties instead of 3.

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I was thinking a Glock 43 for carry... NOPE!

Springfield XDS at least has a grip safety, and a trigger safety...

The problem isn't the lack of safeties on the gun. The problem is negligence on behalf of the owner. If you have a gun with no safety, don't put it in a soft-sided holster. Make sure your not snagging your shirt into your holster. Don't put it in your pocket with a bunch of coins, keys and your cell phone.

If you want to break all those rules and assume a safety is going to save you, what makes you think you will remember to engage the safety? What makes you think you won't accidentally palm the grip safety?

In my humble opinion, maybe, just maybe, bad stuff happens to stupid people and people who are normally smart, but have a lapse in sense in a moment. If you use the right gear, dress correctly, and are attentive to what the heck you're doing, you will not get hurt or have an ND. Blaming the gun design instead of the dummy who shots himself, fixes nothing.

There is a part of the problem...some manufacturers advertise that the gun only fires with finger pressure and thus they do have a "safety".

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If a person is dumb enough to believe that its safe to pull the trigger as long as they are only touching the outside 1/3rd of the trigger, they deserve whatever happens.

Easy answer - Someone put a $500 gun in a $5 holster.