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VA-ALERT: No surprise: Murderer Bryce Williams PASSED A BACKGROUND CHECK

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This comes as no surprise to me, yet another killer passed his background check. BATFE has confirmed to ABC News that Bryce Williams had indeed purchased his gun “legally" from a dealer and passed a background check!

So, Governor McAuliffe, what was that you said this morning on your soapbox about how Virginia needs background checks for gun purchases?

Oh, and Delegate Patrick Hope - you already started an online petition to push for more background checks - what made you think that Mr. Williams had not passed a background check, just like Cho and virtually all the other mass shooters?

Here’s the story - thanks to member Walter Jackson for the link:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... m-legally/

or

http://tinyurl.com/q4a3klt

ATF Confirms Virginia Gunman Vester Flanagan Bought His Firearm 'Legally' - Breitbart by AWR Hawkins26 Aug 2015

The gun was a Glock 19 9mm.

According to ABC News, Faison said Flanagan bough the gun “legally.” And BuzzFeed reports that Faison said the ATF had recovered the weapon today.

News that Flanagan bought his gun at a store squares with what Flanagan wrote in his manifesto, where he indicated that he “put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15.” That was two days after the heinous attack on the church-goers in Charleston, and The Telegraph reports that Flanagan said that very attack pushed him over the edge.

Confirmation that Flanagan passed a background check means he joins numerous other attackers and alleged attackers who have passed background checks for their guns. These include John Russell Houser (Lafayette), Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez (Chattanooga), Dylann Roof (Charleston), Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi (Garland), Jared and Amanda Miller (Las Vegas), Elliot Rodger (Santa Barabara), Ivan Lopez (Fort Hood 2014), Darion Marcus Aguilar (Maryland mall), Karl Halverson Pierson (Arapahoe High School), Paul Ciancia (LAX), Andrew John Engeldinger (Minneapolis), Aaron Alexis (DC Navy Yard), Tennis Melvin Maynard (West Virginia), Wade Michael Page (Sikh Temple), James Holmes (Aurora theater), Jared Loughner (Tucson), Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood 2009), Jiverly Wong (Binghamton), Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Naveed Haq (Seattle), and Mark Barton (Atlanta).

The fact that Flanagan passed a background also calls into question Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe’s (D) call for background check legislation earlier today. He called for that legislation while the police pursuit of Flanagan was still underway.



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There are a slew of fantasies within the fallacy of "Social Engineering". Success of background checks in prevention of these types of incidents is one of those fantasies.

What is important to remember is that, no matter how horrific events like this are, public access to firearms does reduce these types of crimes. Nothing can eliminate them, save for extinction of the human race.

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There is a dividing line in time where we are today at this instant in time.

On one side is where we have been in the past (what we know) and the other side is the future (what we don't know).

The anti's are trying to put everyone and everything into the history side and to treat everyone as if they and their actions are static. This won't happen. People change, situations change.

No matter what you know about the past of any individual you cannot predict what they may do in the future. All that is known is there are some situations that history dictates where some should not have access to guns which is already in place with the current background checks process.

Any of us could be next -- we could flip.

He was also talking about closing the gun show loophole even though it had nothing whatsoever to do with this shooting.

TM didn't know how the shooter got his gun but felt certain that a background check would have prevented the shooting -- enough to make the statement prior to him learning about the shooter. W-R-O-N-G!!

We continue to hear laws are needed that we already have. If that is the case why haven't the current laws affected shootings and mass murders?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... n-control/

I'll tell you why... laws that are based on prediction of behavior do not work. Laws CANNOT prevent crime as a filter function.

Laws are only effective to punish someone after a crime is committed. The preventive affect they are looking for can only be accomplish by the person who may commit the crime, not being willing to suffer the punishment, therefore does not commit the crime out of fear of that harsh punishment. But even that does stop someone who wishes for death or has zero fear of any consequences. How can you pass a law that tries to preemptively stop someone who has nothing to lose... does care if they live or die as long as they do what they went to do?

And to make things worse... strict laws and harsh punishment really just lead to way too many people in jail and gross punishments that don't fit the crime. Like a guy getting life in prison because he got popped with an ounce of weed 3 times in the last 15 years, so he gets 3 strikes and is flagged as a career criminal, just because he smoke too much weed. In the mean time, the guy who has a spotless record and the system has never seen or had reason to question, just snaps one day and kills 78 people (being facetious).

Since they banned the Confederate flag after Charleston, can we now ban gangsta rap?

Or the rainbow flag?