Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Sometimes, I fight my nature, and just sit as a fly on the wall.

With Obama removing surplus from LEO's to keep it less of a "occupied force" to "community policing". Hearing LEO's, and some of the Oathkeepers talking about it, I heard a term I hadn't heard in years.

"Near-Peer threats". The military has levels in determining threats, and technology of opposing forces.

The "NPT" is some trained as well, and equipped as well, as you.

The LEO's were saying "We don't want to have NPT's in certain situations." Which was countered by a friend of mine "RICK" (not real name saying) "Um... Posse Comitatus, Dude. You're not the military, according to the Constitution, you're not supposed to take cash without probably cause, DUI checkpoints are a clear cut violation, and No-knock warrants are HIGHLY against unreasonable searches. Again, YOU are not an occupying FORCE! You're hired BY the public to PROTECT the public, not control them."

Then the argument ensued with the LEO saying "But if I'm trying to handle a hostage situation, or a highly armed suspect, I need a measure that allows me to remove the threat without endangering the public at large. So having a helping hand technically makes me a superior defender for public safety."

I saw both points, and stayed out of it.

However, when I saw that they were issues ROCKET LAUNCHERS to LEO's, and a town with only 2000 people got an MRAP... Um... Huh?

Dunno. I see both sides argument, but thought it was a well detailed argument that no one raised their voices, and just agreed to disagree, but still.

A rocket launcher? Really!?

I have been saying for years that every little town Chief of Police and County Sheriff does not need a SWAT team with an armored vehicle, that police were becoming way too militarized, and that the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution leaves no room for military tactics in civilian law enforcement. I have even waxed nostalgic on occasion about a 1950s worldview where Andy Griffith didn't carry a gun, Barney Fife was only allowed one bullet, and the police were just one of the folks. So I find myself in the unaccustomed and frankly uncomfortable position of agreeing with Barack Obama on an issue. I'm sure his motives would make me puke. In fact, besides pandering to the race-baiters and fanning the flames of racial strife and class warfare, I wouldn't be surprised if the Obamunists have decided they are arming cops who might well oppose federal forces and protect the rights of the citizens of their states and communities and want to eliminate local law enforcement as potentially being one of Rev's "NPTs".

I have some bad news... On January 11, 2010, Obama issued Executive Order 13528, nullifying the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Posse Comitatus no longer exist and Congress did absolutely nothing to stop it.

Also, I highly agree with your friend. No knock warrants, seizure of property without relative charges supported by evidence, check points of any kind, door to door searches, etc are all illegal, violating our rights. I for one am sick of our Government violating our rights for "public safety" reasons.

As far as Peer and Near-Peer threats are concerned, the only legit situation I could see significant cause for concern with was the North Hollywood Shootout in 1997. 18 years ago, the LA PD met a Superior force and was badly out gunned by 2 guys. They literally had to ask local gun stores for weapons and ammo because the PD did not have the proper weapons to defend themselves, the public or subdue the perpetrators of the crime.

That said... that was 18 years ago and is the ONLY example I can think of in modern US history. Police should be able to carry anything I am able to carry. With a weapon like my M4 or AR10 and a pistol, myself and a group of my peers should be able to overcome any non-military threat, if the 18 year lull should be interrupted.

We'd have a lot less crime in the first place if we enforced the Second Amendment and local citizen watches were organized and authorized to prevent criminals from setting up housekeeping in their neighborhoods.

I agree 100%. Vigilant and armed citizens would help tremendously. The laws in many states, like VA, allow citizens to intervene in firsthand witnessed misdemeanors and execute arrests for firsthand witnessed felonies.

The problem is, too many people are afraid of the criminals getting even with them later or getting sued due to lack of protection under the law. It would help tremendously if the Second Amendment was fully adhered to Nation wide and citizens were afforded the same protections as a police officer when they are intervening.

Researching Executive Order 13528, I found this interesting article from American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... ution.html

The U.S. Constitution, which has guided American society for over two centuries, inspiring nations worldwide and serving as a model for governance, is under serious threat today. Ironically, that threat comes from the very individuals charged with protecting the Constitution -- federal, state, and local government officials.

All these public officials take an oath to support the Constitution and to refrain from actions or laws that interfere with individual rights and liberties specified in the Constitution. Yet President Obama and officials all along the way down to local police chiefs are today actively engaged in the daily shredding of the U.S. Constitution...

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/ ... z3abD9bEig
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