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I had never heard of "Glock Hand" - probably because I read the owner's manual the first time I field-stripped it, and also because I would never pull a trigger on any firearm, crossbow, or peashooter with anything between the muzzle and the backstop in a safe direction.

Better to call this "moron hand".

Forty-nine years of shooting, and never an ND.

How 'bout just don't buy a Glock?

*snicker * That was my first thought.

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There are Glock Leg, Glock Foot and even Glock Butt NDs too, but they generally have to do with holstering rather than disassembly. If you pull the trigger on a Glock with a round in the chamber, it's going to fire - Glock perfection.

Not sure I understand this? Looks like an idiot had a round chambered and umm, pulled the trigger...

Go figure, bang bang.

Who is pulling a trigger on a tear down without visually and physically checking the barrel? Darwin Awards all around?

I had heard that one of the reasons that the military would avoid going to Glock would be that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun. This reason never made sense to me, because I never thought anybody would ever pull the trigger without checking that the chamber was empty, and without pointing it in a safe direction when pulling the trigger (even after ensuring that the chamber was empty).

But after reading that, now I can appreciate their reasoning.

This is why S&W put a sear disconnect lever in their M&P series semi-autos so that a dry fire is not necessary for disassembly. It's hard to believe, but a whole lot of folks have had NDs when dissembling a Glock and performing what should have been a dry fire. And, as the article indicates it's not just the incredibly stupid unintentionally shooting themselves or others.

Yes it is incredibly stupid to shoot oneself or others while attempting to field-strip a firearm. I don't care what other pretenses to intelligence someone may claim, failure to follow the simplest rules of firearm safety qualifies him as incredibly stupid.

This is one of those rare areas where a zero-tolerance policy is common sense.

I also agree with a zero tolerance for NDs. I used to work with nuclear weapons and NDs simply were not tolerated - good thing. However, you don't have be stupid to act stupidly. Lots of evidence to support this.

trailrunner wrote:I had heard that one of the reasons that the military would avoid going to Glock would be that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun. This reason never made sense to me, because I never thought anybody would ever pull the trigger without checking that the chamber was empty, and without pointing it in a safe direction when pulling the trigger (even after ensuring that the chamber was empty).

But after reading that, now I can appreciate their reasoning.

A neighbor of mine who was on White House Secret Service detail said this is exactly why the SS would not carry Glock. I asked him if they teach clearing the chamber and he just laughed. Said some people just can't be trusted to do things right.

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I love my Glock and the simplicity that when I pull the trigger it goes bang. Like Bob said, if you can't follow some basic rules, you get what you get.

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ShotgunBlast wrote:I love my Glock and the simplicity that when I pull the trigger it goes bang.

Agreed...they're great pistols; incredibly fun to shoot. The thing is - fun ends when you shoot yourself.

Exactly!!! Want to avoid Glock Hand? Don't shoot yourself in the hand with a Glock.

We need to see if the is an old episode of Mr Roger's Neighborhood that discusses Glock Hand. "Hi neighbor. Will you help me clean my G22 safely today? Let see if King Friday the 13th has any CLP we can borrow."

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I'm pretty convinced "cleaning my gun" is idiot talk for "I was playing around".

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Jakeiscrazy wrote:I'm pretty convinced "cleaning my gun" is idiot talk for "I was playing around".

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That's the ONLY way that story makes any sense to me. The tabs and the trigger pull are two functions apart.

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People would actually push the slide back like that???? OMG!

You would be shocked how easy it is to get distracted and do something stupid. Not an excuse... but an explanation. I was rushing during training one day and the instructor yelled at me (figuratively of course) because I did a press-check and the barrel was partially covered by one of my fingers.

Funny this came up, last year while I was at 4-H national instructor training we had a local Conservation officer (Game Warden) come for a "Show and Tell". He brought some nice guns, including a Glock, while demonstrating the take down procedure for it, he mentioned another officer who had been on the force 15-20 years had in fact shot himself in the hand while preforming a take down to clean the pistol. He also recalled several events where other officers had had a ND while holstering their pistols. My takeaway, if you don't follow all the safety rules regardless of the maker of the gun, you will end up doing something like this. One of the big things we teach our kids in 4-H is the most important manual for any gun is the manufacture's manual for that specific gun, and to always remember rule number one: "The gun is ALWAYS loaded". Like others have also said here on the board, guns don't just "go off" like a member of the LE community stated in regard to a ND recently stated on one of those news channels.

Casey