Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Who says that crime doesn't pay?

http://watchdog.org/206523/police-revenue-streams/

Yes, this goes on all across the country. Seizure of money when no crime has been committed is one of the worst of them and the main reason I do not carry cash.

I remember when David Copperfield was having legal issues, several years ago. The news kept making a big deal out of the fact that he had several million dollars stored in his warehouse. I still don't understand what the legal issue was; since when is cash illegal?

Besides, this is a guy who has made a living by, amongst other things, disappearing from random places and appearing in random places. He's probably figured out about 40 different bank robbery methods. I'd keep cash on hand, too, were I him.

Actually, I still like to have cash on hand. It's useful.

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They seize bank accounts, too. This is a perfect example of the kind of corruption you get with a powerful Administrative State - exactly what Madison, Mason, and de Tocqueville warned us about.

One of the reasons for the dumbed-down, coercive propaganda that masquerades as "public education" is to ensure that our children never learn about the Constitution and what it means. Keep'em ignorant and they'll believe whatever the Authorities tell them.

I am keeping couple ATM receipts in my wallet, together with my cash. I guess it can help to prove the "source".

kelu wrote:I am keeping couple ATM receipts in my wallet, together with my cash. I guess it can help to prove the "source".

If they can seize your cash without charging you with a crime, do you think a few ATM receipts is going to prevent anything? Are you going to spend the time and money to go through the legal proceedings to get your ATM cash back?

Yes. That should be an easy one. I may be naive, but I think in front of a judge at first meeting an ATM receipt on my side versus nothing on police side should be clear enough. Then sue the city for wrongful seizure, and get some more cash.

I'm not sure how the asset forfeiture recovery process works in Virginia, but in other localities you don't go in front of a judge to get your property back. In many instances you deal with a prosecutor that will try to negotiate to only give you a percentage of your assets back even if you weren't charged with anything. Philadelphia is horrible in this regard.

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Kelu, corruption doesn't exist just at one level... it's at all levels.

Because speeding laws, fines, fees, licenses, etc. , ALL A WAY TO GET MORE MONEY!

(shakes head) We're no longer free.

Rev, in my country after the communism fell, there was a class of people who quickly became very rich. Over the years, they became so well anchored in finance, politics, etc that everybody swears that they can never be touched with anything. But if you were a little guy like myself trying to do anything, you were squished like a bug. I personally had lost any hope for a better day there.
Yet, since 2 years ago, something changed. One by one, a lot of these guys were questioned, arrested, imprisoned. And many others are waiting while their cases are being built. They are so many that they are now sent to house arrest, because we don't have enough prisons! And remember, we are taking about rich people and politicians! And we the people we hoe that it's not stopping here; it will go to the doctors that refuse to see you if they don't get their bribe (in theory the medical system s free), to the bureaucrats that expect some bribe to approve an application for something, and so on. Corruption is EVERYWHERE!
But now? Former prime ministers in jail, even the former president interrogated. The current prime minster has the relatives in jail, and it's a matter of time until he will get there too.
We need something like that here. You're a cop, or politician, lawyer, judge, etc and get caught on something? Automatically increase the punishment 5 times.

I would agree with that.

THREE THINGS WOULD SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS:
1.) Term limits for everyone. Local/State/Federal
2.) Restrict lobbyists from making donations, only contact.
3.) Reduce government to make it run small, and efficient.

4) The shield defense can only be invoked as it was originally intends, not as a blanket defense for police and judges.

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