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She makes some very valid points. I find myself in opposition to NONE of them. Someone will take this to court.

As late as a few months ago I'd have rolled my eyes and dismissed this as flat out prejudice, however these days where you can get beheaded or shot to death in your car by an "American Muslim", I think this is just good policy.

Yep. Sounds like good policy, to me.

Really, even if I thought that it was bad policy, I have long held the belief that people have the right to do business or refuse business with whomever they want, based on whatever standards, or lack thereof, that they deem fit.

A government that is structured around the concept of free will ought not be dictating how a business chooses its clientele.

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Sadly, regretfully I am in the same boat.

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1. Property rights
2. Why let terrorists (the 1%) or terrorist financiers & sympathizers (the other 99%) train on your property? The same should apply to any other violent criminal element*.
3. Eff'em, and I mean all of them.

*I went to a range outside San Francisco during my brief residence there and when the wife and I arrived, about 10 dudes were in the parking lot smoking weed not 20 feet from the door. They looked like stereotypical gangbanger extras from some movie. "No way they're getting in!", says the Mrs. They not only got in, but strolled past the desk like they owned the place. When I gave the operator the "WTF?" look, he was visibly shaking and gave the slightest "no" by shaking his head. WTF, indeed.

You know that in the past, good society wouldn't allow things like this to happen. However thanks to lawyers, bad politicians, and well-meaning tree huggers, we have allowed the unacceptable behavior to become acceptable.

Just shy of rape, murder, child molestation, and assault, we have become TOO tolerant!

There is absolutely no way to eradicate evil and keep it from our front door. The best thing to do is be trained and prepared to meet an agressor with a planneed and overwhelming reaction. We have experienced in America, more than once, what happens when we begin to accept these forms of "precautions" and it hasn't been good.

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Yeah you can't eradicate evil, but you don't have to invite it in and give it coffee.

Que wrote:There is absolutely no way to eradicate evil and keep it from our front door. The best thing to do is be trained and prepared to meet an agressor with a planneed and overwhelming reaction. We have experienced in America, more than once, what happens when we begin to accept these forms of "precautions" and it hasn't been good.

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I hate to say it, but that is almost completely and totally wrong. We can eradicate this evil. We can keep this evil from our front door. We have never experienced these types of precautions before.

See, thanks to a lack of action on behalf of our government, we have open boarders, allowing criminals and terrorist to come and go as they see fit. If we secured our boarders, prevent known criminals and people with ties to terror organizations from coming in, and throw the criminals and terrorists out, we would not have this problem domestically.

I say we have never experienced this type of situation or means of precaution before because there has never been an organization in the US that wanted to kill, convert or enslave everyone else in the world before we have come under attack by Muslims.

The only way you can defend yourself against this kind of evil is to completely and utterly destroy ALL of them. Period. Its not hate speech. Its not racism or bigotry. Its not intolerance. It is life or death. Kill or be killed. You need to either choose to live or let them kill you.

The only thing you said that I kind of agree with is "The best thing to do is be trained and prepared to meet an agressor with a planneed and overwhelming reaction." I say "kind of" because it is not the best thing to do. The best thing to do is to be proactive, not reactive. But, our country is too worried about being PC to do a damn thing about it. So, the next best thing we can do as individuals is setup our own boarders (at our homes and businesses) and be prepared to do battle if a Muslim comes to you home or store to cut off your head.

What was wrong to do with the Japanese-Americans in WWII is right to do with Muslims today. Send all the non-assimilated Muslim immigrants back to the countries whose systems they prefer. They want Sharia, they can have it - but not here. They will not be allowed to change our system into theirs. At some point Americans have to stand up on their hind legs and take action. It isn't racist. It isn't about race, or religion. It is about identifying people who actively want to kill us and removing them from our community.

Dumb azzes are bringing knives to a gun fight. Come on you camel-humpin' bastids!

MarcSpaz wrote:I say we have never experienced this type of situation or means of precaution before because there has never been an organization in the US that wanted to kill, convert or enslave everyone else in the world before we have come under attack by Muslims.

Apparently, memories of the Communist and Nazi Parties of America are short...

My memory is fine. Nazis wanted genocide of one specific group of people. We are facing another occurrence with Israel and Palestine right now. In both cases... the "oppressor" in question was/is trying to genocide one group of people, not every other group of people in the entire world.

Muslims want the entire world to be of one Muslim faith under Sharia law, to the point where they will kill or enslave everyone in the world who is not a pure and true Muslim, including other moderate Muslim... But hey... maybe you're seeing something I'm not.

People simply need to be more aware of their surroundings, telling people something is a safe zone only makes them stupid.

Like gun free zones and drug free zones. LOL

As a business person, I wouldn't advertise it. That is just going to bring more problems. However, I would use my right to choose whom I do business with.

The stated goals of the Nazis, were the Thousand Year Reich, and the actualization of Nietzsche's ubermensch. If given a chance, they would have started in on other "inferior races" after they were done with Jews, gypsies, and gays.

The Communist/Marxists have always had a goal of a Communist world under Communist law full of good little Communists worshipping the Communist Religion. In fact the main difference between modern and past efforts of Islamic revolutionaries is that modern ones have learned lessons from Marxist revolutionaries.

"Convert and obey or die" mindless of trampled rights and stacks of bodies is nothing new.

Ironbear wrote: "Convert and obey or die" mindless of trampled rights and stacks of bodies is nothing new.

Globally, yes, but in America, it hasn't happened until this decade.

I don't care what the crazies do everywhere else or for how long they've been doing it. My point is, It has never been a problem in the US before, because the men who ran our country had a backbone. It shouldn't be happening here in the US because we have the power to prevent it.