Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

This is a PRE-SOLICITATION NOTICE of a proposed requirement for various commercial "OFF THE SHELF" semi-automatic pistols chambered to fire a 9mm Luger cartridge as defined by SAAMI. This notice is issued solely for informational and planning purposes only.

The following types of pistols, chambered to fire a 9mm Luger cartridge, may be requested for testing and evaluation purposes under a future solicitation:


Class One Pistol: barrel length between 3.75" and 4.25"; with a minimum magazine capacity of 13 rounds.


Class Two Pistol: barrel length between 4.5" and 5.5"; with a minimum magazine capacity of 15 rounds.


Class One Training Pistol (Red Handle): deactivated with full articulation, red receiver and slide, night sights.


Class One "Man Marking" (a.k.a., "Simunitions") pistol: blue slide or slide with blue inserts.


The Federal Bureau of Investigation anticipates the release of a solicitation during FY2015/Q1; distributed solely through the General Services Administration (GSA) Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) Website (http://www.fedbizopps.gov). This notice does not constitute a Request for Proposal (RFP) and should not be construed to as a commitment of any kind by the Government to issue a formal solicitation or ultimately award a contract. Responses to this notice are not offers and cannot be accepted by the Government to form a binding contract. Any costs incurred by interested parties will NOT be reimbursed. It is the responsibility of any interested party to monitor this site for additional information pertaining to this notice.


Agency is contemplating single award of a firm fixed price (FFP) Indefinite-Delivery Indefinite-Quantity (IDIQ) contract to the contractor whose submission represents best value to the Government. The anticipated maximum, not to exceed, contract threshold is $100M for a twelve month base period and nine (9) possible additional one-year options. In accordance with FAR 2.101, Multi-Agency Contracts, the solicitation will include a provision authorizing other law enforcement agencies to utilize the contract vehicle. The North American Industry Classification System code is 332994 (Small Arms, Ordnance, and Ordnance Accessories Manufacturing) with a small business size standard of 1,000 employees. Interested parties shall be registered in the System for Award Management at (http://www.sam.gov).

skeeterss0 wrote:how about this; they trade their 40s for the armys 9mms. Both save our tax $$

Reverenddel wrote:You know, 9mm bullet technology has advanced so much, even I'm thinking of going back to it as a standard carry.

If the same round can be carried in a Glock 17, 19, and 26? Think about it... that's three different sized weapons that have high cap, and stopping power with low recoil.

just sayin'...

Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners

-Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades

-Most of what is “common knowledge” with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore

-Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what “caliber” is best

-In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO’s in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high ting incident likelihood of succeeding for LEO’s in a shooting incident

-Handgun stopping power is simply a myth

-The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have --penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12” – 18”)

-LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

-Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)

-9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI

-9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)

-The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)

-There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto

-Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers

M1A4ME wrote:History tends to repeat....

...And how most folks won't hunt large/dangerous game with small caliber guns when they can use a large caliber gun.