Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

This is a damn shame. Some stuff you just can't prevent, but this isn't one of them. And its clear gun control didn't stop anything.


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Thought you were talking to me! I am on restriction to air guns only until November (baby boy due October). I only get to shoot the real deal if there is a need for it.

Anyway back to the fruits and nuts.

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LoL! Nice!

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Kid has Aspergers and wrote/you tuned about how lonely he was. Parents even reported him to the police and he was actively receiving counseling.

Unfortunate events. I find it strange though how he writes so much about loneliness yet it don't find clues of him actively engaging socially. Just because your old mans rich and you got a nice car doesn't mean women will drool over you. If you're a weird anti-social person, of course people will be turned off by that.

Now the interesting question: whose gun was it? His? A person with a mental disorder and reports to the police and no one investigated it? His fathers gun? How did old pops not notice it missing. Why isn't this being reported about yet?

Of course no gun registry prevents this type of stuff. Now now, before y'all set me on fire, I don't believe we should register our guns, but access to medical records would be nice in the purchasing process.

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Maybe mental health issues listed in NCIC.

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Now how many anti-psychotic drugs was he on? I have cousins with autism, the medical establishment pushes hard to get these kids are serious meds young.

For Pete's sake if I wanted meds for my slightly add dyslexic son I could easily get them. Instead he gets 1/2 cup Mountain Dew before schoolwork and baseball games. Works just fine 0 dangerous side effects.

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No kidding MBC. I have ADHD and grew up on Ritalin growing up. I begged my parents to take me off it when I was real young and promised I would face the issue myself, which I did. Something about a drug overloading your brain to the point of it saying "I'm overdosing on this, time to start shutting down" just doesn't sit well.

Funny you mention the MD remedy. I find too that a bit of caffeine helps me enough to focus and not get side tracked.

Sometimes I think the "smart" folks in this world over-complicate everything, but that's another topic for another time.

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My grandmother is dyslexic. She has never taken any medication for it, managed to have a successful career, then retired and spent 25 years taking and passing college classes. She also reads regularly.

Most drugs can easily be replaced with some effort and determination. You know, like folks did for centuries before those drugs were invented.

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SHMIV wrote:My grandmother is dyslexic. She has never taken any medication for it, managed to have a successful career, then retired and spent 25 years taking and passing college classes. She also reads regularly.

Most drugs can easily be replaced with some effort and determination. You know, like folks did for centuries before those drugs were invented.

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New report states all the gun belonged to the suspect. So WTF? Who would oppose putting mental disorders into the NCIC checks? Obviously someone mentally unstable shouldn't own such a weapon. Minus minor PTSD folks, anyone with social disorders, autism, anger management issues coupled with multiple arrests, etc. they should be targeted because from what I've seen these are the 85% (my own guesstimation) of people who do this sort of stuff.

Not to say all of them will do this, of course that'd be ridiculous to say.

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As it happens, I would oppose that. Reason being, a mental health professional could find a reason to declare ANYONE insane. Especially if they are paid to do so.

I'd rather be armed and take my chances with everyone else being armed. Besides, I figure if felons can find a source to get guns illegally, so can mildly crazy folks. And completely evil folks.

We start instituting mental checks, eventually we'll all be declared mentally deficient.

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I'm seeing that three were stabbed to death at his residence. Shall we include stabbing devices to the list of items restricted?

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I can stab someone to death with my car key. Key to the jug and in about 7 seconds you will bleed out enough that you black out, then its over.

I've even seen people stabbed to death with spiked high heel shoes.

There is no way we could outlaw everything. That is why I've said over and over again, we don't have a gun problem, we have a violent culture. People will kill with whatever they have, even if its nothing at all.

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SHMIV wrote:As it happens, I would oppose that. Reason being, a mental health professional could find a reason to declare ANYONE insane. Especially if they are paid to do so.

I'd rather be armed and take my chances with everyone else being armed. Besides, I figure if felons can find a source to get guns illegally, so can mildly crazy folks. And completely evil folks.

We start instituting mental checks, eventually we'll all be declared mentally deficient.

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Agreed. When dealing with a natural right codified by our Constitution, the opinion of one person isn't enough to deny you of those rights. We already have the correct process of a court adjudication in place where a third party decides and you have the opportunity to defend yourself. This lines up with the Constitution. I don't know what it currently takes to get someone in court for that process, but there may be some wiggle room to expand in those circumstances.

Watched his "manifesto", dude should've used daddies $ for a hooker.

This kid was spoiled from beginning to end. Daddy bought him a BMW. Daddy rented him an apartment in a very nice part of a very nice town. Only thing daddy didn't buy him was a GF, although as Kreutz says, maybe he should have. The kid dropped out of community college, but he didn't have to come up with a plan on how he was going to support himself for the rest of his life, because he had daddy's safety net. He expected his nice car (which he did NOT earn) to get him a date.

It's sort of ironic that he was after the prettiest girls, yet his dad is part of the Hollywood industry that is constantly hyping the most beautiful people, and is constantly shoving the lifestyles of the rich and famous in our face. So instead of finding someone that he was compatible with and building a solid relationship, the the kid wanted to be a part of the (shallow) high-rolling crowd of beautiful people who drive expensive black european cars.

I have some relatives (not by blood) who live in so Cal who are like this boy. Daddy wound up making a pile of money, but was a half-hearted parent (at best). To compensate for his poor parenting, he threw money at the kids. Now that they are young adults are in their early 20s, daddy gives them an oceanfront apartment, a nice car (a BMW or MB -- not a Corolla), a travel expense account, and $10k/month allowance for miscellaneous expenses (tax free, of course). Kids never set foot in college, never had a job, and now just sit around all day with no purpose. Out of those three kids, we predict two will not make it to be 30 years old.

(shrugs) The issue isn't a violent culture.

It's a matter of a POLITE SOCIETY! I find that an armed culture produces a POLITE society... when you have no ramifications for your actions, you get lil' spudnut here shooting up a buncha places.

Now place this incident in a location frequented by armed citizens. Wouldn't have helped, but it wouldn't have gone on for 10 minutes.

They're on the news this morning, calling for more.

Just not smart enough to realize more of something that doesn't work, still won't work.

trailrunner wrote:This kid was spoiled from beginning to end. Daddy bought him a BMW. Daddy rented him an apartment in a very nice part of a very nice town. Only thing daddy didn't buy him was a GF, although as Kreutz says, maybe he should have. The kid dropped out of community college, but he didn't have to come up with a plan on how he was going to support himself for the rest of his life, because he had daddy's safety net. He expected his nice car (which he did NOT earn) to get him a date.

It's sort of ironic that he was after the prettiest girls, yet his dad is part of the Hollywood industry that is constantly hyping the most beautiful people, and is constantly shoving the lifestyles of the rich and famous in our face. So instead of finding someone that he was compatible with and building a solid relationship, the the kid wanted to be a part of the (shallow) high-rolling crowd of beautiful people who drive expensive black european cars.

I have some relatives (not by blood) who live in so Cal who are like this boy. Daddy wound up making a pile of money, but was a half-hearted parent (at best). To compensate for his poor parenting, he threw money at the kids. Now that they are young adults are in their early 20s, daddy gives them an oceanfront apartment, a nice car (a BMW or MB -- not a Corolla), a travel expense account, and $10k/month allowance for miscellaneous expenses (tax free, of course). Kids never set foot in college, never had a job, and now just sit around all day with no purpose. Out of those three kids, we predict two will not make it to be 30 years old.

This! He obviously didn't fit in with the Hollywood/Cali culture. The non-lunatic response would have been to adopt an "I don't care what these folks think about me" attitude and take off to seek his own path in the world. Sheesh. If this kid would have been raised by parents that told him that life isn't fair, what matters most is what's in your heart, and who gives a d@mn what anyone thinks, I wouldn't be posting here.

hmmmmmmmmm....... Rich kid with a swank apartment, a BMW and a big allowance, a daddy in the film buisiness and he can't get laid in freakin' Los Angeles, CA??????

Hell. he should have used that gun to shoot HIMSELF.

He did... later.